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Strangely people do not care about Apple doing the same thing. Even on HN posts talking about how Apple sells privacy as a product are upvoted and reach > 1000

Strangely people do not care about Apple doing the same thing. Even on HN posts talking about how Apple sells privacy as a product are upvoted and reach > 1000 upvotes.

lonelappde 7y ago
As I understand it, Apple allows iOS users to use an end to end encrypted product with an option to back up to Chinese Communist Party silo of iCloud. Apple does not offer a product that spies on user usage all the time monitoring for thought crime, as Web Search just under Chinese law.
ApolloFortyNine 7y ago
You know what company was once in China and pulled out on moral grounds? Google. [1] Yet nobody cares, as evidenced by the number of companies who do plenty of business in China without backlash. So Google tries to go back to China, and everyone loses their minds. It's frustrating to be honest, it's as if they're be punished for a good deed they did 10 years ago. If they had just never left, they'd be in the same situation as Apple, where nobody (or magnitudes less, if you want to get pedantic) cares. I at least hope governments will ban Baidu from ever competing outside of China. I would hate to see Google suffer because they weren't ever allowed to compete with Baidu on their home turf. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/google-pulls-out-of-china-2010-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/google-pulls-out-of-china-20...
- tgragnato 7y ago
  > I at least hope governments will ban Baidu from ever competing outside of China. "If you open the window, both fresh air and flies will be blown in." 邓小平 That ideology works and benefits China only if there is a disparity between what China is allowed to do in the rest of the world and what China allows the world to do. I am also convinced that restoring an equal relationship is a great way to make the Chinese problem settle on its own.
- CodiePetersen 7y ago
  Actually that is a very good point. It is a bit unfair to allow Baidu to operate free outside but hold Google to a certain ethical standard. I had never considered that.
CodiePetersen 7y ago
I wouldn't say people don't. I would definitely say HN seems not to care. I think what is more the issue is there are a lot of people on HN who see any criticism of China as nationalistic behavior from Americans at least considering the language our president has chosen to use. Which I would say that is a bad stance to take just because someone else's language is nationalistic on an issue doesn't mean my criticism is. But that seems to be the main issue. Not any particular company just talk around China. But I agree many of these tech companies are constantly stepping over the line because they have no real competition. Which is why I say break them up.

Strangely people do not care about Apple doing the same thing. Even on HN posts talking about how Apple sells privacy as a product are upvoted and reach > 1000 upvotes.

lonelappde 7y ago

As I understand it, Apple allows iOS users to use an end to end encrypted product with an option to back up to Chinese Communist Party silo of iCloud. Apple does not offer a product that spies on user usage all the time monitoring for thought crime, as Web Search just under Chinese law.

ApolloFortyNine 7y ago

You know what company was once in China and pulled out on moral grounds? Google. [1] Yet nobody cares, as evidenced by the number of companies who do plenty of business in China without backlash. So Google tries to go back to China, and everyone loses their minds. It's frustrating to be honest, it's as if they're be punished for a good deed they did 10 years ago. If they had just never left, they'd be in the same situation as Apple, where nobody (or magnitudes less, if you want to get pedantic) cares. I at least hope governments will ban Baidu from ever competing outside of China. I would hate to see Google suffer because they weren't ever allowed to compete with Baidu on their home turf. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/google-pulls-out-of-china-2010-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/google-pulls-out-of-china-20...

tgragnato 7y ago
> I at least hope governments will ban Baidu from ever competing outside of China. "If you open the window, both fresh air and flies will be blown in." 邓小平 That ideology works and benefits China only if there is a disparity between what China is allowed to do in the rest of the world and what China allows the world to do. I am also convinced that restoring an equal relationship is a great way to make the Chinese problem settle on its own.
CodiePetersen 7y ago
Actually that is a very good point. It is a bit unfair to allow Baidu to operate free outside but hold Google to a certain ethical standard. I had never considered that.

CodiePetersen 7y ago

I wouldn't say people don't. I would definitely say HN seems not to care. I think what is more the issue is there are a lot of people on HN who see any criticism of China as nationalistic behavior from Americans at least considering the language our president has chosen to use. Which I would say that is a bad stance to take just because someone else's language is nationalistic on an issue doesn't mean my criticism is. But that seems to be the main issue. Not any particular company just talk around China. But I agree many of these tech companies are constantly stepping over the line because they have no real competition. Which is why I say break them up.