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While a certain amount of cynicism is healthy and it should be acknowledged that Google can always back track, I'm still happy that for now they've decided not

While a certain amount of cynicism is healthy and it should be acknowledged that Google can always back track, I'm still happy that for now they've decided not to assist and facilitate one of the most Orwellian nation's to ever exist.

sneak 7y ago
> I'm still happy that for now they've decided not to assist and facilitate one of the most Orwellian nation's to ever exist. Don’t get too excited; they haven’t announced a lack of participation in PRISM yet. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants...
- jkaptur 7y ago
  What would you want Google to say? "I’m not sure I can say this more clearly: we’re not in cahoots with the NSA and there’s is no government program that Google participates in that allows the kind of access that the media originally reported. Note that I say “originally” because you’ll see that many of those original sources corrected their articles after it became clear that the PRISM slides were not accurate. Now, what does happen is that we get specific requests from the government for user data. We review each of those requests and push back when the request is overly broad or doesn’t follow the correct process. There is no free-for-all, no direct access, no indirect access, no back door, no drop box." https://venturebeat.com/2013/06/19/google-issues-clearest-statement-yet-on-nsa-and-prism-no-server-access-no-back-door-no-drop-box-no-free-for-all/ https://venturebeat.com/2013/06/19/google-issues-clearest-st... (I work at Google, not in a relevant role.)
  - Kaiyou 7y ago
    "We are moving our entire business to Europe, because we legally cannot keep the NSA out of your data otherwise." would be a start.
    - vatueil 7y ago
      That would just move the ball into GCHQ or DGSE's court.
      - Kaiyou 7y ago
        I said it would be a start, not a final solution.
        vatueil 7y ago
        The start of what? There's no reason to assume non-Europeans would prefer British, French, or EU jurisdiction over the current situation.
  - sneak 7y ago
    Either Ed Snowden is lying, or Google is.
    - creato 7y ago
      Or he wasn't lying, but didn't himself have fully accurate information. Just like a big organization, there may have been a lot of work (and slides generated) on a project that was ultimately killed/changed significantly.
ionised 7y ago
They are just waiting for the right moment to try again.

sneak 7y ago

> I'm still happy that for now they've decided not to assist and facilitate one of the most Orwellian nation's to ever exist. Don’t get too excited; they haven’t announced a lack of participation in PRISM yet. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants...

jkaptur 7y ago
What would you want Google to say? "I’m not sure I can say this more clearly: we’re not in cahoots with the NSA and there’s is no government program that Google participates in that allows the kind of access that the media originally reported. Note that I say “originally” because you’ll see that many of those original sources corrected their articles after it became clear that the PRISM slides were not accurate. Now, what does happen is that we get specific requests from the government for user data. We review each of those requests and push back when the request is overly broad or doesn’t follow the correct process. There is no free-for-all, no direct access, no indirect access, no back door, no drop box." https://venturebeat.com/2013/06/19/google-issues-clearest-statement-yet-on-nsa-and-prism-no-server-access-no-back-door-no-drop-box-no-free-for-all/ https://venturebeat.com/2013/06/19/google-issues-clearest-st... (I work at Google, not in a relevant role.)
- Kaiyou 7y ago
  "We are moving our entire business to Europe, because we legally cannot keep the NSA out of your data otherwise." would be a start.
  - vatueil 7y ago
    That would just move the ball into GCHQ or DGSE's court.
    - Kaiyou 7y ago
      I said it would be a start, not a final solution.
      - vatueil 7y ago
        The start of what? There's no reason to assume non-Europeans would prefer British, French, or EU jurisdiction over the current situation.
- sneak 7y ago
  Either Ed Snowden is lying, or Google is.
  - creato 7y ago
    Or he wasn't lying, but didn't himself have fully accurate information. Just like a big organization, there may have been a lot of work (and slides generated) on a project that was ultimately killed/changed significantly.

ionised 7y ago

They are just waiting for the right moment to try again.