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Marriage is an ancient tradition centered around the realities of human pair-bonding, which transcend Church and State. The social institution is built around o

Marriage is an ancient tradition centered around the realities of human pair-bonding, which transcend Church and State. The social institution is built around our nature, and its congruency is apparent to any neurotypical human who's ever been in love. Atypical people might benefit from alternate arrangements but they comprise a very small minority of humans at this point in evolution.

jelliclesfarm 7y ago
It’s not that ancient. I remain unconvinced. Change my mind. https://theweek.com/articles/528746/origins-marriage https://theweek.com/articles/528746/origins-marriage [..]The best available evidence suggests that it’s about 4,350 years old. For thousands of years before that, most anthropologists believe, families consisted of loosely organized groups of as many as 30 people, with several male leaders, multiple women shared by them, and children. As hunter-gatherers settled down into agrarian civilizations, society had a need for more stable arrangements. The first recorded evidence of marriage ceremonies uniting one woman and one man dates from about 2350 B.C., in Mesopotamia. Over the next several hundred years, marriage evolved into a widespread institution embraced by the ancient Hebrews, Greeks, and Romans. But back then, marriage had little to do with love or with religion.[..]
- 1000units 7y ago
  If you don't feel called to marriage, that's absolutely fine. It's not for everybody. Priests take vows of celibacy, and that is a high calling, to give one example. As an aside, I see you have a very deep view into the past and are unmoved by mere thousands of years of culture and tradition. You might find Dr. Theodore Kaczynski's Industrial Society and Its Future interesting and enjoyable.
  - jelliclesfarm 7y ago
    I don’t know why you are making this personal. I am questioning the system and the foundation of the system. I am claiming that it has outlived its usefulness and we can build another social construct that doesn’t have to be defined by old thought patterns and ossified concepts. We keep changing..don’t we? And shouldn’t our way of life change too?
    - 1000units 7y ago
      You've directly asked me to change your mind, and I'm saying it doesn't necessarily have to be changed. If you're just interested as a matter of public policy, I can tell you that you're going to have a tremendously hard time getting people to raise children properly through other arrangements. > We keep changing..don’t we? And shouldn’t our way of life change too? We haven't really changed much at all. This is actually covered very adeptly in Dr. Kacyznski's work cited above.
dragonwriter 7y ago
> Marriage is an ancient tradition centered around the realities of human pair-bonding If it's based around “realities of human pair-bonding”, why is polygyny a historically common mode of socially accepted marriage?
- 1000units 7y ago
  Why is rape a historically common mode of sexual relation? Because feral man likes sex and doesn't care about the people he's having it with. When man begins to care about the multitude of his progeny, he gets polygyny. When he cares further about the woman, marriage.

jelliclesfarm 7y ago

It’s not that ancient. I remain unconvinced. Change my mind. https://theweek.com/articles/528746/origins-marriage https://theweek.com/articles/528746/origins-marriage [..]The best available evidence suggests that it’s about 4,350 years old. For thousands of years before that, most anthropologists believe, families consisted of loosely organized groups of as many as 30 people, with several male leaders, multiple women shared by them, and children. As hunter-gatherers settled down into agrarian civilizations, society had a need for more stable arrangements. The first recorded evidence of marriage ceremonies uniting one woman and one man dates from about 2350 B.C., in Mesopotamia. Over the next several hundred years, marriage evolved into a widespread institution embraced by the ancient Hebrews, Greeks, and Romans. But back then, marriage had little to do with love or with religion.[..]

1000units 7y ago
If you don't feel called to marriage, that's absolutely fine. It's not for everybody. Priests take vows of celibacy, and that is a high calling, to give one example. As an aside, I see you have a very deep view into the past and are unmoved by mere thousands of years of culture and tradition. You might find Dr. Theodore Kaczynski's Industrial Society and Its Future interesting and enjoyable.
- jelliclesfarm 7y ago
  I don’t know why you are making this personal. I am questioning the system and the foundation of the system. I am claiming that it has outlived its usefulness and we can build another social construct that doesn’t have to be defined by old thought patterns and ossified concepts. We keep changing..don’t we? And shouldn’t our way of life change too?
  - 1000units 7y ago
    You've directly asked me to change your mind, and I'm saying it doesn't necessarily have to be changed. If you're just interested as a matter of public policy, I can tell you that you're going to have a tremendously hard time getting people to raise children properly through other arrangements. > We keep changing..don’t we? And shouldn’t our way of life change too? We haven't really changed much at all. This is actually covered very adeptly in Dr. Kacyznski's work cited above.

dragonwriter 7y ago

> Marriage is an ancient tradition centered around the realities of human pair-bonding If it's based around “realities of human pair-bonding”, why is polygyny a historically common mode of socially accepted marriage?

1000units 7y ago
Why is rape a historically common mode of sexual relation? Because feral man likes sex and doesn't care about the people he's having it with. When man begins to care about the multitude of his progeny, he gets polygyny. When he cares further about the woman, marriage.