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I served in the Air Force and Congress. People still tell me ‘go back’ to China

43 points by smacktoward 7y ago

lostmymind66 7y ago
..but do they tell you to come back and use what you learned in government? That's what Trump said.
- tdb7893 7y ago
  I don't understand how that would make it much better. Edit: just in case you are being serious the racist part is the assumption that for people of color that America isn't their home, even if you were born here, serve in the military, or are a member of Congress some people will still assume that you are not truly American.
- markc 7y ago
  False. What he said: "Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came then come back and show us how it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough." We don't need your absurd spin to tell us what he "really meant".
  - scarface74 7y ago
    Well, seeing that out of the four people he attacked, three were born in this country, where were they suppose to go back to?
  - lostmymind66 7y ago
    Actually, what you said is much more eloquent than what I said. He is saying to go back, learn from your experience and come back and show us how it's done. Nothing racist about it. Much different that the simpleton narrative going around that he said "go back where you came from". it's crazy to me that anyone would vote for someone that has a proven track record of hating the US and everything it stands for, let alone 4 people. It doesn't really matter though. In the latest polling, all 4 have such low approval ratings, they will be gone in the next voting cycle. After hearing this, I actually have hope for our future.
    - markc 7y ago
      Trump is so eloquent, yet you feel the need to double down on your spin to help him out? And talk about simpleton narratives, only a simpleton would swallow whole the idea that trump was just making a sincere plea for gathering and sharing expertise. You are correct that it was a slight variant on "go back where you came from". His twist included a sneering challenge, the equivalent of "if you're so smart.." So he can combine a racist trope with a schoolyard taunt and that's plenty to disguise it for you. Sad. Your interpretation of the 4 as "hating the US" stands in direct contradiction to their unwavering statement of love of country with a commitment to improve the US. "They hate the US" is another trope to "other" those who disagree with you. Would you like me to rattle off a list of a dozen ways in which Trump clearly hates our country? It's easy. Only the gullible take polling data directly from Trump's mouth. The poll showed the 4 are unpopular with 'whites with less than 2 years of college'. Didn't bother to look that up, did you? They're as popular as ever - with those that elected them, and will likely do so again, so go back to hopelessness.
      - lostmymind66 7y ago
        'And talk about simpleton narratives, only a simpleton would swallow whole the idea that trump was just making a sincere plea for gathering and sharing expertise. No politician is sincere and I'm not the one spreading simpleton narratives, like the left-leaning media, which seems to be the case most of the time. "So he can combine a racist trope with a schoolyard taunt and that's plenty to disguise it for you. Sad." So would you consider calling for the destruction of an entire country mostly made up of one religion/ethnicity racist/bigoted? "Your interpretation of the 4 as "hating the US" stands in direct contradiction to their unwavering statement of love of country with a commitment to improve the US" So let me get this straight: If I: 1) say I love the country and 2) am liberal It means I love the country? Now who's fooled? "They hate the US" is another trope to "other" those who disagree with you. Would you like me to rattle off a list of a dozen ways in which Trump clearly hates our country? It's easy." TDS is strong with you. You seem to inject race and racism into everything..which isn't healthy. Protecting US citizens and creating a growing economy with one of the lowest unemployment rates in decades doesn't look like 'hate' to me. "They're as popular as ever - with those that elected them, and will likely do so again, so go back to hopelessness." ...with morons. They are all fucking idiots. You really need to admit this or we can't really have a conversation. I'm also not hopeless. I'm living a great life. If a crazy gets elected here, I will just get citizenship elsewhere. I actually am not a big Trump supporter, but because of people like you and the constant hatred and censorship from the Left, I will never vote for a Democrat again. Many people are now waking up to these gestapo tactics
- fellellor 7y ago
  It's unlikely that you'd have learned in the government other than certain context specific survival skills.
mrtweetyhack 7y ago
While I appreciate Democrats want to fix the world's ill, they should do it with their own money. I'm find with the rich hoarding money, in the end, they still die.
inflatableDodo 7y ago
The thing I have noticed, at least in the UK, is that the very same people who angrily abuse people from other countries and tell them to 'go back home' also get absurdly angry about people moving from other cities, towns and local villages, within the same country. Basically, it pisses them off if someone is born much more than a days walk. And you cannot appease these people politically by caving to any of their requests, as their anger at people visiting from the other side of the planet is nothing compared to their hatred of people from the next town over.
- siphon22 7y ago
  At least those people are consistent. There are plenty who would be okay with people coming from other countries if they looked like them.
  - inflatableDodo 7y ago
    Have you not noticed that they only generally say that about people from areas that they don't currently have net migration from? Looking like your new neighbors doesn't help if they are determined to keep you as 'other', just look at the plight of the Oklahomans in Grapes of Wrath, or the Burakumin in Japan.
  - klyrs 7y ago
    The real irony in north america is that us white people aren't even "from" here. Hell, Drumpf is only second generation and his wife is first generation.
    - inflatableDodo 7y ago
      Also, white and black people don't actually exist. We just adopted what is possibly the world's most stupid taxonomical system ever invented and ran with it; "Hey, I have a great idea, lets categorise people by how much light they reflect. We can use the words that mean 'reflects all light' and 'reflects no light' as signifiers. This should be darn useful, especially as there are pretty much no people whatsoever fitting into those categories. Who's with me?" Not that I expect to win that particular semantic battle any time soon.
vivekd 7y ago
Funny, I'm East Indian, I've spent 3 years in America (Michigan) and the rest of my life in Canada, I don't think I've ever in my life had someone say "go back to India." This is not to say that I've never experienced racism, just never anything like "go home" or "go back to your country." I don't know if anyone else from an immigrant background can comment on their personal experiences. Have you had it happen to you?
- inflatableDodo 7y ago
  English, grew up in Scotland. I've been told to fuck off back to England more times than I care to recall and been referred to as a 'White Settler' a few times, an irony laden insult popular enough with some people on the west coast and some of the border areas, that it made the title of a Scottish horror film - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2883352/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2883352/
- deleted 7y ago
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- oyebenny 7y ago
  lol You have it good, bud. It happens a lot in GA.
- dirtyid 7y ago
  Seems like there's been recent resurgences in overt racism. I've heard second hand experiences of Indian and Chinese being told to go back to their countries in the last couple years in Canada. These folks have been in GTA for 40 years and never experienced anything like it.
- r00fus 7y ago
  I've had it happen to me... from a former friend, no less - though online. Racism is embedded deep within many folks here. However, one of my close relatives (who's Chinese but started his career in France) got that a lot in France, a few years ago, too. The sentiment is latent, lurking and waiting for the right circumstances or personality to bring it out.
QuickToBan 7y ago
Paywalled articles such as this are the bane of humanity.
- dang 7y ago
  If there's a workaround, it's ok. Users usually post workarounds in the thread. This is in the FAQ at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html and there's more explanation here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989 https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix&page=0&query=by:dang%20paywall https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
onyva 7y ago
Why the collective “people”. It’s not people that tel him and others to go back home, it is white people. It’s not immigrants that are questioned, it’s non whites. There are plenty of congress men and women or citizens, which are immigrants that are not questioned, because they’re perceived Caucasians. Same way Drumpf’s voters don’t perceive him, or themselves, as products of immigration and the bigotry of someone who’s strictly marrying immigrants as an hypocrisy.
amriksohata 7y ago
Been called everything under the sun growing up in the UK in the 80s and 90s, it's changed in the fact people still hold similar views, except they just can't write it down
smartbit 7y ago
https://outline.com/ChrMFw https://outline.com/ChrMFw

43 points by smacktoward 7y ago

lostmymind66 7y ago

..but do they tell you to come back and use what you learned in government? That's what Trump said.

tdb7893 7y ago
I don't understand how that would make it much better. Edit: just in case you are being serious the racist part is the assumption that for people of color that America isn't their home, even if you were born here, serve in the military, or are a member of Congress some people will still assume that you are not truly American.
markc 7y ago
False. What he said: "Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came then come back and show us how it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough." We don't need your absurd spin to tell us what he "really meant".
- scarface74 7y ago
  Well, seeing that out of the four people he attacked, three were born in this country, where were they suppose to go back to?
- lostmymind66 7y ago
  Actually, what you said is much more eloquent than what I said. He is saying to go back, learn from your experience and come back and show us how it's done. Nothing racist about it. Much different that the simpleton narrative going around that he said "go back where you came from". it's crazy to me that anyone would vote for someone that has a proven track record of hating the US and everything it stands for, let alone 4 people. It doesn't really matter though. In the latest polling, all 4 have such low approval ratings, they will be gone in the next voting cycle. After hearing this, I actually have hope for our future.
  - markc 7y ago
    Trump is so eloquent, yet you feel the need to double down on your spin to help him out? And talk about simpleton narratives, only a simpleton would swallow whole the idea that trump was just making a sincere plea for gathering and sharing expertise. You are correct that it was a slight variant on "go back where you came from". His twist included a sneering challenge, the equivalent of "if you're so smart.." So he can combine a racist trope with a schoolyard taunt and that's plenty to disguise it for you. Sad. Your interpretation of the 4 as "hating the US" stands in direct contradiction to their unwavering statement of love of country with a commitment to improve the US. "They hate the US" is another trope to "other" those who disagree with you. Would you like me to rattle off a list of a dozen ways in which Trump clearly hates our country? It's easy. Only the gullible take polling data directly from Trump's mouth. The poll showed the 4 are unpopular with 'whites with less than 2 years of college'. Didn't bother to look that up, did you? They're as popular as ever - with those that elected them, and will likely do so again, so go back to hopelessness.
    - lostmymind66 7y ago
      'And talk about simpleton narratives, only a simpleton would swallow whole the idea that trump was just making a sincere plea for gathering and sharing expertise. No politician is sincere and I'm not the one spreading simpleton narratives, like the left-leaning media, which seems to be the case most of the time. "So he can combine a racist trope with a schoolyard taunt and that's plenty to disguise it for you. Sad." So would you consider calling for the destruction of an entire country mostly made up of one religion/ethnicity racist/bigoted? "Your interpretation of the 4 as "hating the US" stands in direct contradiction to their unwavering statement of love of country with a commitment to improve the US" So let me get this straight: If I: 1) say I love the country and 2) am liberal It means I love the country? Now who's fooled? "They hate the US" is another trope to "other" those who disagree with you. Would you like me to rattle off a list of a dozen ways in which Trump clearly hates our country? It's easy." TDS is strong with you. You seem to inject race and racism into everything..which isn't healthy. Protecting US citizens and creating a growing economy with one of the lowest unemployment rates in decades doesn't look like 'hate' to me. "They're as popular as ever - with those that elected them, and will likely do so again, so go back to hopelessness." ...with morons. They are all fucking idiots. You really need to admit this or we can't really have a conversation. I'm also not hopeless. I'm living a great life. If a crazy gets elected here, I will just get citizenship elsewhere. I actually am not a big Trump supporter, but because of people like you and the constant hatred and censorship from the Left, I will never vote for a Democrat again. Many people are now waking up to these gestapo tactics
fellellor 7y ago
It's unlikely that you'd have learned in the government other than certain context specific survival skills.

mrtweetyhack 7y ago

While I appreciate Democrats want to fix the world's ill, they should do it with their own money. I'm find with the rich hoarding money, in the end, they still die.

inflatableDodo 7y ago

The thing I have noticed, at least in the UK, is that the very same people who angrily abuse people from other countries and tell them to 'go back home' also get absurdly angry about people moving from other cities, towns and local villages, within the same country. Basically, it pisses them off if someone is born much more than a days walk. And you cannot appease these people politically by caving to any of their requests, as their anger at people visiting from the other side of the planet is nothing compared to their hatred of people from the next town over.

siphon22 7y ago
At least those people are consistent. There are plenty who would be okay with people coming from other countries if they looked like them.
- inflatableDodo 7y ago
  Have you not noticed that they only generally say that about people from areas that they don't currently have net migration from? Looking like your new neighbors doesn't help if they are determined to keep you as 'other', just look at the plight of the Oklahomans in Grapes of Wrath, or the Burakumin in Japan.
- klyrs 7y ago
  The real irony in north america is that us white people aren't even "from" here. Hell, Drumpf is only second generation and his wife is first generation.
  - inflatableDodo 7y ago
    Also, white and black people don't actually exist. We just adopted what is possibly the world's most stupid taxonomical system ever invented and ran with it; "Hey, I have a great idea, lets categorise people by how much light they reflect. We can use the words that mean 'reflects all light' and 'reflects no light' as signifiers. This should be darn useful, especially as there are pretty much no people whatsoever fitting into those categories. Who's with me?" Not that I expect to win that particular semantic battle any time soon.

vivekd 7y ago

Funny, I'm East Indian, I've spent 3 years in America (Michigan) and the rest of my life in Canada, I don't think I've ever in my life had someone say "go back to India." This is not to say that I've never experienced racism, just never anything like "go home" or "go back to your country." I don't know if anyone else from an immigrant background can comment on their personal experiences. Have you had it happen to you?

inflatableDodo 7y ago
English, grew up in Scotland. I've been told to fuck off back to England more times than I care to recall and been referred to as a 'White Settler' a few times, an irony laden insult popular enough with some people on the west coast and some of the border areas, that it made the title of a Scottish horror film - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2883352/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2883352/
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oyebenny 7y ago
lol You have it good, bud. It happens a lot in GA.
dirtyid 7y ago
Seems like there's been recent resurgences in overt racism. I've heard second hand experiences of Indian and Chinese being told to go back to their countries in the last couple years in Canada. These folks have been in GTA for 40 years and never experienced anything like it.
r00fus 7y ago
I've had it happen to me... from a former friend, no less - though online. Racism is embedded deep within many folks here. However, one of my close relatives (who's Chinese but started his career in France) got that a lot in France, a few years ago, too. The sentiment is latent, lurking and waiting for the right circumstances or personality to bring it out.

QuickToBan 7y ago

Paywalled articles such as this are the bane of humanity.

dang 7y ago
If there's a workaround, it's ok. Users usually post workarounds in the thread. This is in the FAQ at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html and there's more explanation here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989 https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix&page=0&query=by:dang%20paywall https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

onyva 7y ago

Why the collective “people”. It’s not people that tel him and others to go back home, it is white people. It’s not immigrants that are questioned, it’s non whites. There are plenty of congress men and women or citizens, which are immigrants that are not questioned, because they’re perceived Caucasians. Same way Drumpf’s voters don’t perceive him, or themselves, as products of immigration and the bigotry of someone who’s strictly marrying immigrants as an hypocrisy.

amriksohata 7y ago

Been called everything under the sun growing up in the UK in the 80s and 90s, it's changed in the fact people still hold similar views, except they just can't write it down

smartbit 7y ago

https://outline.com/ChrMFw https://outline.com/ChrMFw