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Early on the essay makes clear distinctions that not all moves toward fascism are necessarily fascist, in the very first bullet calling out “traditionalism” as

Early on the essay makes clear distinctions that not all moves toward fascism are necessarily fascist, in the very first bullet calling out “traditionalism” as being very distinct from “fascism.” I myself find solace in some of the points of fascism- that part of the meaning of life is struggle, and the cult of heroism (are the Marvel movies fascist?). I certainly don't believe that qualifies me as a fascist, especially because I also strongly believe that tolerance of others is one of core principals of political morality.

maxerickson 7y ago
Isn't the cult of heroism a rejection of civilization? For instance, Tony Stark is a murderer, a sociopathic one at that. The whole Marvel Cinematic Universe practically kicks off with him doing revenge killings, almost killing a government pilot and chuckling about it with his pal. Of course, the trope of the righteous individual is heavily leaned on in movies.
- topkai22 7y ago
  I think it depends on how you view it. I am not well studied in this area so my terms may be inaccurate, but to me a "heroic" ideal of self sacrifice for the benefit of others or some ideal is not anti-civilization. It may in fact be the basis of civilization- that there is something larger than ourselves or our immediate family to work toward.
humanrebar 7y ago
Leftist culture can also traditionalist about different things. Nature. Organics. Natural birth and parenting. Unions. Public schools. Native languages. > I also strongly believe that tolerance of others is one of core principals of political morality. Maybe not you, but there is definitely a strain of the "anti-fascist" culture that is pretty fascist. In the name of diversity and tolerance no less. Including firings, blackballing, and public beatings in extreme cases. Of course there are fascists that appeal back to an idyllic monoculture that never really existed, but they get enough press that it's already well covered.
- deogeo 7y ago
  > Leftist culture can also traditionalist about different things. From a US perspective, I would add "we are a nation of immigrants (therefore immigration should continue)" to that list.

maxerickson 7y ago

Isn't the cult of heroism a rejection of civilization? For instance, Tony Stark is a murderer, a sociopathic one at that. The whole Marvel Cinematic Universe practically kicks off with him doing revenge killings, almost killing a government pilot and chuckling about it with his pal. Of course, the trope of the righteous individual is heavily leaned on in movies.

topkai22 7y ago
I think it depends on how you view it. I am not well studied in this area so my terms may be inaccurate, but to me a "heroic" ideal of self sacrifice for the benefit of others or some ideal is not anti-civilization. It may in fact be the basis of civilization- that there is something larger than ourselves or our immediate family to work toward.

humanrebar 7y ago

Leftist culture can also traditionalist about different things. Nature. Organics. Natural birth and parenting. Unions. Public schools. Native languages. > I also strongly believe that tolerance of others is one of core principals of political morality. Maybe not you, but there is definitely a strain of the "anti-fascist" culture that is pretty fascist. In the name of diversity and tolerance no less. Including firings, blackballing, and public beatings in extreme cases. Of course there are fascists that appeal back to an idyllic monoculture that never really existed, but they get enough press that it's already well covered.

deogeo 7y ago
> Leftist culture can also traditionalist about different things. From a US perspective, I would add "we are a nation of immigrants (therefore immigration should continue)" to that list.