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I don't have the signed contract handy, but its probably a one sided relationship. :) "Facebook, Google, Apple, and six other leading online services have all

I don't have the signed contract handy, but its probably a one sided relationship. :) "Facebook, Google, Apple, and six other leading online services have all gone on record as having given their customers’ data to the NSA, as legally required by the “PRISM” program. Data shared includes emails, messages, and documents." https://www.expressvpn.com/blog/8-ways-the-nsa-spies-on-you/ https://www.expressvpn.com/blog/8-ways-the-nsa-spies-on-you/ "MUSCULAR and TURMOIL – Headed by the GCHQ with help from the NSA, these programs collect data (thought to be twice as much as PRISM) indiscriminately from Google and Yahoo internal data networks and share it with the NSA, who then scan it for anything ‘suspect’. Even though the data from Google and Yahoo are supposed to be encrypted, it’s intercepted during internal transfers, during which time it’s not encrypted at all." "XKeyscore – Run by the NSA but shared with all Five Eyes nations as well as Japan, Germany and Sweden, XKeyscore is the comprehensive program that analyses all the data from all the above programs (plus others) and creates a searchable database. Targets can be searched for using name, email, or phone number, but can also be found using other criteria, such as unusual words they use often, locations they visit using Google Maps, or using another country’s language often." https://www.valuewalk.com/2019/07/espionage-operations-digital-age/ https://www.valuewalk.com/2019/07/espionage-operations-digit... https://www.cnet.com/news/nsa-surveillance-programs-prism-upstream-live-on-snowden/ https://www.cnet.com/news/nsa-surveillance-programs-prism-up...

lern_too_spel 7y ago
None of those involve any interaction between Google and the NSA. PRISM ingests data collected by the FBI from those companies under court order for wiretapping specific accounts. MUSCULAR is run by neither Google nor the NSA. XKeyscore is a frontend for a database of data collected elsewhere.
- utopian3 7y ago
  Where is it documented that PRISM is an FBI feed ingest? I’ve never heard that from the Snowden docs
  - lern_too_spel 7y ago
    Snowden and Greenwald can't read. The FBI's Data Intercept Technology Unit is right there on the slides they released: https://i.imgur.com/setOJIm.jpg https://i.imgur.com/setOJIm.jpg This was well-known and commented on at the time Greenwald's articles were being published, with the NYT reporting on the program correctly the very next day by interviewing people actually involved in the program (verifying claims like real journalists — why didn't The Guardian think of that?). https://www.cnet.com/news/no-evidence-of-nsas-direct-access-to-tech-companies/ https://www.cnet.com/news/no-evidence-of-nsas-direct-access-... https://medium.com/@alecmuffett/how-to-talk-about-prism-and-not-get-entirely-blown-off-if-youre-an-activist-e2a79d2cd2ad https://medium.com/@alecmuffett/how-to-talk-about-prism-and-... https://medium.com/prism-truth/the-prism-details-matter-82a1791c94d3 https://medium.com/prism-truth/the-prism-details-matter-82a1... In response, Greenwald doubled down on his incompetent misreading of the slides without providing any evidence to support his obviously ridiculous assertions. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/14/nsa-partisanship-propaganda-prism https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/14/nsa-pa...
- la_barba 7y ago
  I find it hard to believe that Google had no idea about this. In any case, I recognize that co-operation with the NSA is.. as they say.. non-optional.
  - lern_too_spel 7y ago
    > I find it hard to believe that Google had no idea about this. Had no idea about what? There is no evidence that Google has cooperated with the NSA on anything except tracking down Chinese hackers. > I recognize that co-operation with the NSA is.. as they say.. non-optional. There is no evidence that they have been coerced into cooperating with the NSA on anything.
    - la_barba 7y ago
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/google-statement-on-nsa-infiltration-of-links-between-data-centers/2013/10/30/75f3314a-41b3-11e3-a624-41d661b0bb78_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/googl... "We have long been concerned about the possibility of this kind of snooping, which is why we have continued to extend encryption across more and more Google services and links, especially the links in the slide. We do not provide any government, including the U.S. government, with access to our systems. We are outraged at the lengths to which the government seems to have gone to intercept data from our private fiber networks, and it underscores the need for urgent reform.” First they say that they were concerned about the possibility. https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323949904578539541070739164 https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323949904578539... "Google's request, made in a public letter written by its chief legal officer, David Drummond, comes after the government last Saturday publicly acknowledged that Internet content companies had received secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act requests about the activities of their users." Then they say that they handed over the data as legally required. The only point worth mentioning is the difference between 'access and 'unfettered access'. Google claims the latter never happened, only the former. >There is no evidence that they have been coerced into cooperating with the NSA on anything. Okay, you believe what you want to believe. This conversation doesn't seem tb be going anywhere. Goodbye, and have a nice day.

lern_too_spel 7y ago

None of those involve any interaction between Google and the NSA. PRISM ingests data collected by the FBI from those companies under court order for wiretapping specific accounts. MUSCULAR is run by neither Google nor the NSA. XKeyscore is a frontend for a database of data collected elsewhere.

utopian3 7y ago
Where is it documented that PRISM is an FBI feed ingest? I’ve never heard that from the Snowden docs
- lern_too_spel 7y ago
  Snowden and Greenwald can't read. The FBI's Data Intercept Technology Unit is right there on the slides they released: https://i.imgur.com/setOJIm.jpg https://i.imgur.com/setOJIm.jpg This was well-known and commented on at the time Greenwald's articles were being published, with the NYT reporting on the program correctly the very next day by interviewing people actually involved in the program (verifying claims like real journalists — why didn't The Guardian think of that?). https://www.cnet.com/news/no-evidence-of-nsas-direct-access-to-tech-companies/ https://www.cnet.com/news/no-evidence-of-nsas-direct-access-... https://medium.com/@alecmuffett/how-to-talk-about-prism-and-not-get-entirely-blown-off-if-youre-an-activist-e2a79d2cd2ad https://medium.com/@alecmuffett/how-to-talk-about-prism-and-... https://medium.com/prism-truth/the-prism-details-matter-82a1791c94d3 https://medium.com/prism-truth/the-prism-details-matter-82a1... In response, Greenwald doubled down on his incompetent misreading of the slides without providing any evidence to support his obviously ridiculous assertions. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/14/nsa-partisanship-propaganda-prism https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/14/nsa-pa...
la_barba 7y ago
I find it hard to believe that Google had no idea about this. In any case, I recognize that co-operation with the NSA is.. as they say.. non-optional.
- lern_too_spel 7y ago
  > I find it hard to believe that Google had no idea about this. Had no idea about what? There is no evidence that Google has cooperated with the NSA on anything except tracking down Chinese hackers. > I recognize that co-operation with the NSA is.. as they say.. non-optional. There is no evidence that they have been coerced into cooperating with the NSA on anything.
  - la_barba 7y ago
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/google-statement-on-nsa-infiltration-of-links-between-data-centers/2013/10/30/75f3314a-41b3-11e3-a624-41d661b0bb78_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/googl... "We have long been concerned about the possibility of this kind of snooping, which is why we have continued to extend encryption across more and more Google services and links, especially the links in the slide. We do not provide any government, including the U.S. government, with access to our systems. We are outraged at the lengths to which the government seems to have gone to intercept data from our private fiber networks, and it underscores the need for urgent reform.” First they say that they were concerned about the possibility. https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323949904578539541070739164 https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323949904578539... "Google's request, made in a public letter written by its chief legal officer, David Drummond, comes after the government last Saturday publicly acknowledged that Internet content companies had received secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act requests about the activities of their users." Then they say that they handed over the data as legally required. The only point worth mentioning is the difference between 'access and 'unfettered access'. Google claims the latter never happened, only the former. >There is no evidence that they have been coerced into cooperating with the NSA on anything. Okay, you believe what you want to believe. This conversation doesn't seem tb be going anywhere. Goodbye, and have a nice day.