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Could you provide some links to the articles that say "this is definitely something to worry about"? edit: I'll start with some counter-evidence concluding it'

Could you provide some links to the articles that say "this is definitely something to worry about"? edit: I'll start with some counter-evidence concluding it's safe. A literature review of millimeter-wave radiation safety (the type used for 5G): https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/7032050 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/7032050

danielst 7y ago
This three-part article is written by an electrical engineer who approaches the subject without any preconceptions or previous bias one way or another (make sure to read all 3 parts): https://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/5g-waves/4461754/Does-5G-pose-health-risks---part-1- https://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/5g-waves/4461754/Does-... https://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/5g-waves/4461840/Does-5G-pose-health-risks---part-2- https://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/5g-waves/4461840/Does-... https://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/5g-waves/4462072/Does-5G-pose-health-risks---part-3- https://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/5g-waves/4462072/Does-...
- itcrowd 7y ago
  Thanks. Here are my comments as I read all 3 parts: Part 1: Re-iterates what I've said in this thread before. No safety concerns. Correctly cites scientific sources to back up claims. Part 2: Citation [1] referenced in blog is not consistent with 5G frequencies. (Limited) measurements and simulations are performed at 380 GHz, while 5G is <300 GHz. Citation [2] in the blog doesn't make the conclusion that the blogger thinks (scientists say: "Perhaps, MMW has bactericidal and the other actions, leading to a change in characteristics and metabolic pathways in bacteria and to their antibiotic resistance.", blogger says "study found that mmWaves altered bacteria growth". All further conclusions are based on flawed interpretations of these 2 articles. Part 3: Opinion piece to "stop 5G until it is proven harmless". Well, that's the end of everything then. Since proving a negative is impossible we can never do anything new ...? [1] https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8016593 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8016593 [2] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00253-016-7538-0 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00253-016-7538-0
  - fulafel 7y ago
    "You can't prove a negative" is just a saying and not actually true.
    - darkpuma 7y ago
      That depends on how precisely you are using the word "prove", and in which domain you are thinking.
      - fulafel 7y ago
        In philosophy of science we like to formulate theories as falsifiable claims.
        fulafel 7y ago
        Also, as "you can't prove a negative" is a falsifiable claim, it's an interesting logical statement that argues against itself.

danielst 7y ago

This three-part article is written by an electrical engineer who approaches the subject without any preconceptions or previous bias one way or another (make sure to read all 3 parts): https://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/5g-waves/4461754/Does-5G-pose-health-risks---part-1- https://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/5g-waves/4461754/Does-... https://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/5g-waves/4461840/Does-5G-pose-health-risks---part-2- https://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/5g-waves/4461840/Does-... https://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/5g-waves/4462072/Does-5G-pose-health-risks---part-3- https://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/5g-waves/4462072/Does-...

itcrowd 7y ago
Thanks. Here are my comments as I read all 3 parts: Part 1: Re-iterates what I've said in this thread before. No safety concerns. Correctly cites scientific sources to back up claims. Part 2: Citation [1] referenced in blog is not consistent with 5G frequencies. (Limited) measurements and simulations are performed at 380 GHz, while 5G is <300 GHz. Citation [2] in the blog doesn't make the conclusion that the blogger thinks (scientists say: "Perhaps, MMW has bactericidal and the other actions, leading to a change in characteristics and metabolic pathways in bacteria and to their antibiotic resistance.", blogger says "study found that mmWaves altered bacteria growth". All further conclusions are based on flawed interpretations of these 2 articles. Part 3: Opinion piece to "stop 5G until it is proven harmless". Well, that's the end of everything then. Since proving a negative is impossible we can never do anything new ...? [1] https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8016593 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8016593 [2] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00253-016-7538-0 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00253-016-7538-0
- fulafel 7y ago
  "You can't prove a negative" is just a saying and not actually true.
  - darkpuma 7y ago
    That depends on how precisely you are using the word "prove", and in which domain you are thinking.
    - fulafel 7y ago
      In philosophy of science we like to formulate theories as falsifiable claims.
      - fulafel 7y ago
        Also, as "you can't prove a negative" is a falsifiable claim, it's an interesting logical statement that argues against itself.