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Palantir's clients might be public info, but AFAIK, there is no evidence that Google has completely terminated their relationship with the NSA and the CIA. Also

Palantir's clients might be public info, but AFAIK, there is no evidence that Google has completely terminated their relationship with the NSA and the CIA. Also to be super fair, it may well be that Google has no choice in this matter. But in any case, the 'treasonous' claim seems to be a whole lot of hot air. Google will be shut-down before they give China any direct access that assists their intelligence ops.

claudeganon 7y ago
>Google will be shut-down before they give China any direct access that assists their intelligence ops. Their Dragonfly project was going to be providing this kind of surveillance to the Chinese government until Googlers (indeterminately) put a stop to it? https://theintercept.com/collections/google-dragonfly-china/ https://theintercept.com/collections/google-dragonfly-china/
- la_barba 7y ago
  I don't know what you mean by "this kind" of surveillance. What was reported was they were going to give the Chinese government the ability to remove links from their index. Any business in China has to operate in accordance with the local law. Yes, thats probably incompatible with the morality of some people, but doesn't sound like some crazy surveillance scheme to me. Also, as an aside, nobody (especially in the west) seems to be willing to take a personal hit on this. Have the people who oppose this stopped buying stuff from China? Buying Chinese made goods is just sending more cash to the Chinese government. Has Google stopped manufacturing their phones in China? Has Apple or anyone else? Its all fake concern and useless posturing for PR as far as I am concerned.
creaghpatr 7y ago
On that note it would be paradoxically a conflict of interest for the CIA/NSA to investigate Google and yet of course they have because of their working relationship. So any penetration from China should theoretically be detected by them anyway or at least on their radar.
- utopian3 7y ago
  This is nonsense. They wouldn’t have live pcaps of every router and endpoint at Google.
  - la_barba 7y ago
    Yes, live pcaps of every router does sound like nonsense doesn't it? I'm sure you too can imagine a far more saner scenario.
lern_too_spel 7y ago
What is Google's relationship with the NSA and the CIA?
- la_barba 7y ago
  I don't have the signed contract handy, but its probably a one sided relationship. :) "Facebook, Google, Apple, and six other leading online services have all gone on record as having given their customers’ data to the NSA, as legally required by the “PRISM” program. Data shared includes emails, messages, and documents." https://www.expressvpn.com/blog/8-ways-the-nsa-spies-on-you/ https://www.expressvpn.com/blog/8-ways-the-nsa-spies-on-you/ "MUSCULAR and TURMOIL – Headed by the GCHQ with help from the NSA, these programs collect data (thought to be twice as much as PRISM) indiscriminately from Google and Yahoo internal data networks and share it with the NSA, who then scan it for anything ‘suspect’. Even though the data from Google and Yahoo are supposed to be encrypted, it’s intercepted during internal transfers, during which time it’s not encrypted at all." "XKeyscore – Run by the NSA but shared with all Five Eyes nations as well as Japan, Germany and Sweden, XKeyscore is the comprehensive program that analyses all the data from all the above programs (plus others) and creates a searchable database. Targets can be searched for using name, email, or phone number, but can also be found using other criteria, such as unusual words they use often, locations they visit using Google Maps, or using another country’s language often." https://www.valuewalk.com/2019/07/espionage-operations-digital-age/ https://www.valuewalk.com/2019/07/espionage-operations-digit... https://www.cnet.com/news/nsa-surveillance-programs-prism-upstream-live-on-snowden/ https://www.cnet.com/news/nsa-surveillance-programs-prism-up...
  - lern_too_spel 7y ago
    None of those involve any interaction between Google and the NSA. PRISM ingests data collected by the FBI from those companies under court order for wiretapping specific accounts. MUSCULAR is run by neither Google nor the NSA. XKeyscore is a frontend for a database of data collected elsewhere.
    - utopian3 7y ago
kpU8efre7r 7y ago
What relationship? The relationship they are forced into?

claudeganon 7y ago

>Google will be shut-down before they give China any direct access that assists their intelligence ops. Their Dragonfly project was going to be providing this kind of surveillance to the Chinese government until Googlers (indeterminately) put a stop to it? https://theintercept.com/collections/google-dragonfly-china/ https://theintercept.com/collections/google-dragonfly-china/

la_barba 7y ago
I don't know what you mean by "this kind" of surveillance. What was reported was they were going to give the Chinese government the ability to remove links from their index. Any business in China has to operate in accordance with the local law. Yes, thats probably incompatible with the morality of some people, but doesn't sound like some crazy surveillance scheme to me. Also, as an aside, nobody (especially in the west) seems to be willing to take a personal hit on this. Have the people who oppose this stopped buying stuff from China? Buying Chinese made goods is just sending more cash to the Chinese government. Has Google stopped manufacturing their phones in China? Has Apple or anyone else? Its all fake concern and useless posturing for PR as far as I am concerned.

creaghpatr 7y ago

On that note it would be paradoxically a conflict of interest for the CIA/NSA to investigate Google and yet of course they have because of their working relationship. So any penetration from China should theoretically be detected by them anyway or at least on their radar.

utopian3 7y ago
This is nonsense. They wouldn’t have live pcaps of every router and endpoint at Google.
- la_barba 7y ago
  Yes, live pcaps of every router does sound like nonsense doesn't it? I'm sure you too can imagine a far more saner scenario.

lern_too_spel 7y ago

What is Google's relationship with the NSA and the CIA?

la_barba 7y ago
I don't have the signed contract handy, but its probably a one sided relationship. :) "Facebook, Google, Apple, and six other leading online services have all gone on record as having given their customers’ data to the NSA, as legally required by the “PRISM” program. Data shared includes emails, messages, and documents." https://www.expressvpn.com/blog/8-ways-the-nsa-spies-on-you/ https://www.expressvpn.com/blog/8-ways-the-nsa-spies-on-you/ "MUSCULAR and TURMOIL – Headed by the GCHQ with help from the NSA, these programs collect data (thought to be twice as much as PRISM) indiscriminately from Google and Yahoo internal data networks and share it with the NSA, who then scan it for anything ‘suspect’. Even though the data from Google and Yahoo are supposed to be encrypted, it’s intercepted during internal transfers, during which time it’s not encrypted at all." "XKeyscore – Run by the NSA but shared with all Five Eyes nations as well as Japan, Germany and Sweden, XKeyscore is the comprehensive program that analyses all the data from all the above programs (plus others) and creates a searchable database. Targets can be searched for using name, email, or phone number, but can also be found using other criteria, such as unusual words they use often, locations they visit using Google Maps, or using another country’s language often." https://www.valuewalk.com/2019/07/espionage-operations-digital-age/ https://www.valuewalk.com/2019/07/espionage-operations-digit... https://www.cnet.com/news/nsa-surveillance-programs-prism-upstream-live-on-snowden/ https://www.cnet.com/news/nsa-surveillance-programs-prism-up...
- lern_too_spel 7y ago
  None of those involve any interaction between Google and the NSA. PRISM ingests data collected by the FBI from those companies under court order for wiretapping specific accounts. MUSCULAR is run by neither Google nor the NSA. XKeyscore is a frontend for a database of data collected elsewhere.
  - utopian3 7y ago

kpU8efre7r 7y ago

What relationship? The relationship they are forced into?