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While I agree with you for the most part, the technology developed to dig down and live underground would mostly only be applicable to digging down further. Th

While I agree with you for the most part, the technology developed to dig down and live underground would mostly only be applicable to digging down further. The frontier is in space, and every technological step we take towards that frontier is a step we can use to keep moving outwards. That being said there's no reason both can't be attempted. One does not preclude the other.

ta1234567890 7y ago
We might not need to dig at all if we can figure out how to navigate lava/magma (lava submarine?). "The frontier" is an arbitrary concept that we choose. We can choose another one. We have limited time and limited resources, whatever we use for one thing we stop using for another. When the public mind is focusing on a big thing like space, it is not focusing (and reallocating enough resources) to another big thing like reaching the Earth's core.
- tshannon 7y ago
  > ... whatever we use for one thing we stop using for another. I completely disagree with you here. Neither economies or governments (or "the public mind") are so completely focused and one dimensional as to only direct resources towards one endeavor. The Apollo program didn't prevent the Soviets from drilling the borehole in the early 70's or Jacque Cousteau from exploring the oceans in the 60's.
  - ta1234567890 7y ago
    Sure, and what happened after the 60s and 70s with those things? Did any of those get or is getting the same attention or funding as space programs?
- throwaway5752 7y ago
  That is way outside of what is possible. The pressures and temperatures so far beyond what material science can cope with - the outer core is "liquid" - but just 100 miles down it's well beyond the melting point of aluminum (2000 deg F) and almost 1x10^6 psi. The outer core is 1800 miles down, 10,000 deg F, and 5x10^7 psi. Assuming you acquired unobtainium that would not collapse and/or melt under those conditions, you'd need a insulators and power sources that are probably also made of or powered by unobtainium. I don't think it can be handwaved away, I think it's impossible outside of fanciful science fiction.
  - ta1234567890 7y ago
    Today, colonizing Mars is also "way outside of what is possible". It's all a matter of wanting to do it and then figuring out how to do it, one step at a time. I'm sure that with enough time and effort we can figure out how to reach the Earth's core. Of course it will take a lot of creativity and lots of people and resources to figure it out, but we can definitely do it. Also the Earth is right here, we are on it right now. Mars is very, very far away. We can iterate a lot faster here on Earth than anything we want to do on Mars. What do we gain by colonizing Mars? We can probably gain the same, or more, and faster, trying to reach the Earth's core first than trying to colonize Mars. In fact, reaching the Earth's core might even make it easier/faster to colonize Mars by applying all the knowledge and tech we would develop.
    - throwaway5752 7y ago
      No, Mars is pretty easy. Materials are there, solar works as an energy source there, and it's just an extension of known tech. I bet if - for whatever reason it became an existential issue - humanity could have habitable base there inside of 10 years. The deepest hole ever dug is not even to the mantle and is less than a foot wide. We could all live in a (modestly) deep cave no problem, but navigating lava is beyond the properties of any known material. It's literally impossible to reach the core. No nanomaterials, no carbon nanotubules, no fusion reactors, no superalloys. I am 100% confident saying that human kind will never reach the center of the Earth.
      - ta1234567890 7y ago
        Like I said, we are here, we can iterate infinitely faster in figuring things out here. The only reason why the Earth's core might seem out of reach to you is because of how little focus and resources have been put into it (compared to colonizing Mars). > I am 100% confident saying that human kind will never reach the center of the Earth Well, that is your own personal opinion. And in my personal opinion, it sounds very pessimistic. We can definitely do it, and we might not even need to drill any holes. We just need to get excited about it and go for it.

ta1234567890 7y ago

We might not need to dig at all if we can figure out how to navigate lava/magma (lava submarine?). "The frontier" is an arbitrary concept that we choose. We can choose another one. We have limited time and limited resources, whatever we use for one thing we stop using for another. When the public mind is focusing on a big thing like space, it is not focusing (and reallocating enough resources) to another big thing like reaching the Earth's core.

tshannon 7y ago
> ... whatever we use for one thing we stop using for another. I completely disagree with you here. Neither economies or governments (or "the public mind") are so completely focused and one dimensional as to only direct resources towards one endeavor. The Apollo program didn't prevent the Soviets from drilling the borehole in the early 70's or Jacque Cousteau from exploring the oceans in the 60's.
- ta1234567890 7y ago
  Sure, and what happened after the 60s and 70s with those things? Did any of those get or is getting the same attention or funding as space programs?
throwaway5752 7y ago
That is way outside of what is possible. The pressures and temperatures so far beyond what material science can cope with - the outer core is "liquid" - but just 100 miles down it's well beyond the melting point of aluminum (2000 deg F) and almost 1x10^6 psi. The outer core is 1800 miles down, 10,000 deg F, and 5x10^7 psi. Assuming you acquired unobtainium that would not collapse and/or melt under those conditions, you'd need a insulators and power sources that are probably also made of or powered by unobtainium. I don't think it can be handwaved away, I think it's impossible outside of fanciful science fiction.
- ta1234567890 7y ago
  Today, colonizing Mars is also "way outside of what is possible". It's all a matter of wanting to do it and then figuring out how to do it, one step at a time. I'm sure that with enough time and effort we can figure out how to reach the Earth's core. Of course it will take a lot of creativity and lots of people and resources to figure it out, but we can definitely do it. Also the Earth is right here, we are on it right now. Mars is very, very far away. We can iterate a lot faster here on Earth than anything we want to do on Mars. What do we gain by colonizing Mars? We can probably gain the same, or more, and faster, trying to reach the Earth's core first than trying to colonize Mars. In fact, reaching the Earth's core might even make it easier/faster to colonize Mars by applying all the knowledge and tech we would develop.
  - throwaway5752 7y ago
    No, Mars is pretty easy. Materials are there, solar works as an energy source there, and it's just an extension of known tech. I bet if - for whatever reason it became an existential issue - humanity could have habitable base there inside of 10 years. The deepest hole ever dug is not even to the mantle and is less than a foot wide. We could all live in a (modestly) deep cave no problem, but navigating lava is beyond the properties of any known material. It's literally impossible to reach the core. No nanomaterials, no carbon nanotubules, no fusion reactors, no superalloys. I am 100% confident saying that human kind will never reach the center of the Earth.
    - ta1234567890 7y ago
      Like I said, we are here, we can iterate infinitely faster in figuring things out here. The only reason why the Earth's core might seem out of reach to you is because of how little focus and resources have been put into it (compared to colonizing Mars). > I am 100% confident saying that human kind will never reach the center of the Earth Well, that is your own personal opinion. And in my personal opinion, it sounds very pessimistic. We can definitely do it, and we might not even need to drill any holes. We just need to get excited about it and go for it.