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I am a farmer, was a net admin earlier in life but from what I have seen and heard myself and talking to my tribe from up north climate change is a natural even

I am a farmer, was a net admin earlier in life but from what I have seen and heard myself and talking to my tribe from up north climate change is a natural event and there is nothing we can do to stop things like Earth's axis slightly changing making the sun way hotter. People that want to fight climate change should start in the cites with smog it is man made, it changes the climate in a localized area, it kills, and you can do something about it. Yet I never see these Climate change fighters completely giving up smog making devices.

mempko 7y ago
You do tell them the sun isn't getting hotter right? Have you seen this? https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-wo...
- davidw 7y ago
  I'm partial to this graphic... puts things in perspective and puts paid to the notion that what's happening now resembles natural climate fluctuations. https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/
  - chmod775 7y ago
    > puts paid I think you're being downvoted because of a typo.
    - davidw 7y ago
      I think people don't understand English. The graphic makes it very clear that what is happening now is very different in velocity and scale from historic climate swings. In other words, the climate change we're currently observing is man-made.
    - ChrisGranger 7y ago
      It's not a typo, but a common English phrase. https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/put-paid-to https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/put-pai...
      - chmod775 7y ago
        I don't think it's exactly common - at least not when compared to the usage of other idioms using Google search. There's also not a single match for that phrase in my entire ebook library... Idioms like "as it stands" and "at the best of times" see like 50 times more usage. Those are common. You learn something new every day though! Now I can use it too and add to the pile of people googling for that phrase's meaning that show up on Google Trends.
AlexandrB 7y ago
> I am a farmer, was a net admin earlier in life but from what I have seen and heard myself and talking to my tribe from up north climate change is a natural event and there is nothing we can do to stop things like Earth's axis slightly changing making the sun way hotter. Oh, well. That settles it! I guess the climate scientists who have been researching this for half a century should go find other jobs.
Robotbeat 7y ago
Electric cars have no direct smog production.
- charliesharding 7y ago
  They do tend to emit disproportionally high smug levels though. It's just passing the buck to the companies providing the electricity so the consumer can pat themselves on the back and order vanity plates that say "0 MPG" and "OIL HAHA".
  - eropple 7y ago
    This is not a good take, especially given the steady improvement in both cost-efficiency and the availability of renewable energy. As an example: my girlfriend and I are putting enough solar on the roof to give us the headroom to charge an electric car, when it's time to switch.
  - RmDen 7y ago
    and NOC024U https://www.flickr.com/photos/denisgobo/48075951728/in/photostream https://www.flickr.com/photos/denisgobo/48075951728/in/photo...
  - throwaway5752 7y ago
    They get 120 mpg equivalent, the battery metals are recyclable in a closed loop, and they can be powered by renewable energy.
  - mikeash 7y ago
    It’s passing the buck to companies that do a pretty good job avoiding smog and produce a lot of electricity with no emissions at all.
eropple 7y ago
Economies of scale exist; urban dwellers generally pollute less on a per-capita and on a consumptive basis. And your whataboutism is misplaced--air pollution in cities has been improving steadily since the 1970's. (The Trump Administration is rolling back regulations related to this, which is fun, but that has likely not had significant impact yet.)

mempko 7y ago

You do tell them the sun isn't getting hotter right? Have you seen this? https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-wo...

davidw 7y ago
I'm partial to this graphic... puts things in perspective and puts paid to the notion that what's happening now resembles natural climate fluctuations. https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/
- chmod775 7y ago
  > puts paid I think you're being downvoted because of a typo.
  - davidw 7y ago
    I think people don't understand English. The graphic makes it very clear that what is happening now is very different in velocity and scale from historic climate swings. In other words, the climate change we're currently observing is man-made.
  - ChrisGranger 7y ago
    It's not a typo, but a common English phrase. https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/put-paid-to https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/put-pai...
    - chmod775 7y ago
      I don't think it's exactly common - at least not when compared to the usage of other idioms using Google search. There's also not a single match for that phrase in my entire ebook library... Idioms like "as it stands" and "at the best of times" see like 50 times more usage. Those are common. You learn something new every day though! Now I can use it too and add to the pile of people googling for that phrase's meaning that show up on Google Trends.

AlexandrB 7y ago

> I am a farmer, was a net admin earlier in life but from what I have seen and heard myself and talking to my tribe from up north climate change is a natural event and there is nothing we can do to stop things like Earth's axis slightly changing making the sun way hotter. Oh, well. That settles it! I guess the climate scientists who have been researching this for half a century should go find other jobs.

Robotbeat 7y ago

Electric cars have no direct smog production.

charliesharding 7y ago
They do tend to emit disproportionally high smug levels though. It's just passing the buck to the companies providing the electricity so the consumer can pat themselves on the back and order vanity plates that say "0 MPG" and "OIL HAHA".
- eropple 7y ago
  This is not a good take, especially given the steady improvement in both cost-efficiency and the availability of renewable energy. As an example: my girlfriend and I are putting enough solar on the roof to give us the headroom to charge an electric car, when it's time to switch.
- RmDen 7y ago
  and NOC024U https://www.flickr.com/photos/denisgobo/48075951728/in/photostream https://www.flickr.com/photos/denisgobo/48075951728/in/photo...
- throwaway5752 7y ago
  They get 120 mpg equivalent, the battery metals are recyclable in a closed loop, and they can be powered by renewable energy.
- mikeash 7y ago
  It’s passing the buck to companies that do a pretty good job avoiding smog and produce a lot of electricity with no emissions at all.

eropple 7y ago

Economies of scale exist; urban dwellers generally pollute less on a per-capita and on a consumptive basis. And your whataboutism is misplaced--air pollution in cities has been improving steadily since the 1970's. (The Trump Administration is rolling back regulations related to this, which is fun, but that has likely not had significant impact yet.)