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"The most fundamental difference is thinking about the factory really as a product, as a quite vertically integrated product," said Musk. "It's treating it as m
by diegocg 7y ago
"The most fundamental difference is thinking about the factory really as a product, as a quite vertically integrated product," said Musk. "It's treating it as more of an engineering and a technical problem as well," added Chief Technical Officer J.B. Straubel.
"Which is the Toyota Production System," replied Johnson.
"Yeah, we don't think so," countered Musk.
- almost_usual 7y agoThe fact his ego is this big is amazing. I would be shocked if I saw one vehicle on the road today manufactured by Tesla in thirty years.
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- et2o 7y agoYou'd have to ignore the substantial progress Tesla has made to date against overwhelming odds. Will return to this in 30 years!
- BuckRogers 7y agoDon't need to, they already blew the doors off all the naysayers since they were founded. Waiting 30 more years is unnecessary, they've more than proven themselves. These people who insist on further and further benchmarks have already been made out to be fools.
- la_barba 7y agoWhat purpose does selectively quoting an article serve? I don't see the point (if any) you're making here.
- justin66 7y agoThe quote is a representative sample of the article, an article which is illustrative of Musk's apparent disinterest in (or ignorance of) the Toyota Production System. I've never seen a Musk quote that clearly demonstrates he has any idea how TPS works or what he is really competing against.
- la_barba 7y agoI read the original Forbes article and his opinions sounded very sane to me, like someone who understands the ground reality, is ambitious but also self-aware. Specifically:- "The car industry thinks they're really good at manufacturing and actually they are quite good at manufacturing. But they just don't realize just how much potential there is for improvement. It's way more than they think," Or "Musk acknowledged that Tesla had been "a little overconfident, a little complacent" in its ability to crank up production volume for battery packs - its specialty - at its massive battery gigafactory near Reno, Nevada. " But yes, I could have make Musk sound like an idiot too. I chose not to needlessly take someones words out of context for click-bait. You're free to have your own opinion, and Tesla will keep selling more cars I guess. I'd like to buy one but I cannot afford one at the moment..
- bllguo 7y agowould love to hear what about those quotes seem to suggest a deep understanding to you. They seem trite and vague to me.
- la_barba 7y agoI was disagreeing with how a commentor summarized an article, especially so because other quotes from the same article completely discount their assessment. At the very least, can we simply agree to disagree?
- justin66 7y ago> But they just don't realize just how much potential there is for improvement. It's way more than they think Most people would follow a statement like that by contrasting his ideas with the ideas of his competitor to demonstrate why his ideas are likely to be more effective. You know, make an actual argument. He doesn't do that. He just makes statements about his own superiority, and occasionally when reality intrudes too greatly he engages in a little self-deprecation. (If someone has a link to where he makes a comparison like that in detail, I'd love to see it. Or any statement that would demonstrate he even knows what Toyota Production System is actually about.)