4 ms·

I worked in a factory for a couple of weeks putting radiators on Defenders [0]. The work was extremely boring (30 second task repeated 8 hours a day) but tempe

I worked in a factory for a couple of weeks putting radiators on Defenders [0]. The work was extremely boring (30 second task repeated 8 hours a day) but temperature / conditions were never an issue. Workers were looked after seemingly well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Defender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Defender

cptskippy 7y ago
I guess my point is that the climate of the region is such that I don't see it being an issue to be "outside" and that it might be more pleasant than an actual factory, then again I'm ignorant to the dress code or actual temperature of a typical automotive factory.
- close04 7y ago
  The temperatures you listed are close to freezing (sometimes below freezing). Are you sure working in a tent at those temps is "pleasant"? The chances of the tent providing the same levels of climate control as the factory building are close to none which is why workers had to use the radiators against company policy. And the policy makes sense given the clear danger of a fire.
  - cptskippy 7y ago
    > The temperatures you listed are close to freezing (sometimes below freezing). None of the temperatures listed were close to or below freezing. Freezing is 32 degrees Fahrenheit, the lowest temperature I mentioned was 42F which is 10 degrees above freezing. > Are you sure working in a tent at those temps is "pleasant"? I listed the min and max temperatures as well as the the average min and max temperatures for a reason. The average min temperature is 7 degrees warmer than the min and both would occur overnight. Is the tent a 24 hour operation? If not then it's unlikely that workers would have to endure the "freezing" 42F weather at all.
    - close04 7y ago
      > In Fremont [...] the temperature typically varies from 43°F to 82°F and is rarely below 35°F or above 92°F. From the link I posted below. Rarely below 35F (~1.5C) is still pretty damn cold. Would you want your workplace to be "just about freezing" once in a while? What I mean is I'm pretty sure Tesla's statements are the regular PR thing any company in their position would put out, they just exaggerated a bit with "they actually insist on it". Maybe they took an existing example and didn't mind implying it's a general thing.
      - cptskippy 7y ago
        Rarely being below 35F does not mean routinely 35F as you're implying.
        close04 7y ago
        You're just deflecting, those people complaining have a point. Even excluding the "comforting fact" that it's only literally freezing "rarely", having to work full shifts even at an average low of ~6-8C/43-46F, and an average high of ~16C/62F (official weather data for Dec/Jan/Feb) for ~3 months is still damn uncomfortable if not dangerous. Enough to warrant taking dangerous measures in such an environment like using a space heater. Would you like you day job to be a choice between "freezing" and "risking life threatening fire"? If the tent would be the better choice that people actually ask for, you'd expect more of them popping up in that kind of climate. It's just the cheap and fast choice (for the company) and these are the downsides (for the employees).
        cptskippy 7y ago
        > You're just deflecting I'm not deflecting anything. You quoted some PR that said "we have a large number of employees who request to work on GA4" and said "Off the top of my head I can't imagine a reason why the tent would be such a great place to work." I pointed out that, by your own admission, for ~9 months of the year the climate is fine AND it's outside as possible reasons for choosing to work in the tent. The original quote doesn't say employees requested permanent positions or even year round. Two employees requesting to work 1 shift in the tent during ideal conditions would still make the statement true. Why is that so far beyond your comprehension? You're fixated on the fact that it gets cold at night in the middle of winter as proof that no one would ever request to work in the tent ever. I think you're just being contrary and difficult which may or may not be because you have a hidden agenda.

cptskippy 7y ago

I guess my point is that the climate of the region is such that I don't see it being an issue to be "outside" and that it might be more pleasant than an actual factory, then again I'm ignorant to the dress code or actual temperature of a typical automotive factory.

close04 7y ago
The temperatures you listed are close to freezing (sometimes below freezing). Are you sure working in a tent at those temps is "pleasant"? The chances of the tent providing the same levels of climate control as the factory building are close to none which is why workers had to use the radiators against company policy. And the policy makes sense given the clear danger of a fire.
- cptskippy 7y ago
  > The temperatures you listed are close to freezing (sometimes below freezing). None of the temperatures listed were close to or below freezing. Freezing is 32 degrees Fahrenheit, the lowest temperature I mentioned was 42F which is 10 degrees above freezing. > Are you sure working in a tent at those temps is "pleasant"? I listed the min and max temperatures as well as the the average min and max temperatures for a reason. The average min temperature is 7 degrees warmer than the min and both would occur overnight. Is the tent a 24 hour operation? If not then it's unlikely that workers would have to endure the "freezing" 42F weather at all.
  - close04 7y ago
    > In Fremont [...] the temperature typically varies from 43°F to 82°F and is rarely below 35°F or above 92°F. From the link I posted below. Rarely below 35F (~1.5C) is still pretty damn cold. Would you want your workplace to be "just about freezing" once in a while? What I mean is I'm pretty sure Tesla's statements are the regular PR thing any company in their position would put out, they just exaggerated a bit with "they actually insist on it". Maybe they took an existing example and didn't mind implying it's a general thing.
    - cptskippy 7y ago
      Rarely being below 35F does not mean routinely 35F as you're implying.
      - close04 7y ago
        You're just deflecting, those people complaining have a point. Even excluding the "comforting fact" that it's only literally freezing "rarely", having to work full shifts even at an average low of ~6-8C/43-46F, and an average high of ~16C/62F (official weather data for Dec/Jan/Feb) for ~3 months is still damn uncomfortable if not dangerous. Enough to warrant taking dangerous measures in such an environment like using a space heater. Would you like you day job to be a choice between "freezing" and "risking life threatening fire"? If the tent would be the better choice that people actually ask for, you'd expect more of them popping up in that kind of climate. It's just the cheap and fast choice (for the company) and these are the downsides (for the employees).
        cptskippy 7y ago
        > You're just deflecting I'm not deflecting anything. You quoted some PR that said "we have a large number of employees who request to work on GA4" and said "Off the top of my head I can't imagine a reason why the tent would be such a great place to work." I pointed out that, by your own admission, for ~9 months of the year the climate is fine AND it's outside as possible reasons for choosing to work in the tent. The original quote doesn't say employees requested permanent positions or even year round. Two employees requesting to work 1 shift in the tent during ideal conditions would still make the statement true. Why is that so far beyond your comprehension? You're fixated on the fact that it gets cold at night in the middle of winter as proof that no one would ever request to work in the tent ever. I think you're just being contrary and difficult which may or may not be because you have a hidden agenda.