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This is a fully stock (even tires) Tesla Model 3P running Laguna Seca in 1:46.1 at the end of a long day of racing BMWs. Just for fun the driver wanted to take

by zaroth 7y ago

This is a fully stock (even tires) Tesla Model 3P running Laguna Seca in 1:46.1 at the end of a long day of racing BMWs. Just for fun the driver wanted to take his Telsa out, and his boss is riding shotgun. [1] The production EV record is held by a non-stock TM3P (upgraded suspension, brakes, and tires) at 1:37.5 [2]. By comparison, here are a list of Laguna Seca records [3]. [1] - https://youtu.be/_DZSMxrHyHo https://youtu.be/_DZSMxrHyHo [2] - https://youtu.be/D1MDCPk-7Yw https://youtu.be/D1MDCPk-7Yw [3] - https://i.imgsafe.org/7d/7d96bea0ab.png https://i.imgsafe.org/7d/7d96bea0ab.png

supergauntlet 7y ago
This is proving my point. Look at the lap times on Laguna. https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna-seca-post-1988 https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna-seca-post-1988 Most of the stuff around the 1:45-1:47 mark is a hot hatch, a grand tourer, or a muscle car. Seriously, you gotta understand, I'm super hyped for the electric GT series with the Model S to take off, but these are not supercars. They're comparable to an M series BMW or a nice muscle car, which is fine.
- zaroth 7y ago
  I’m not even disagreeing with you! “Supercar” is obviously a loaded term. I would never expect a fully stock $54k product to meet that label. IMO, if it’s not six figures it’s by definition excluded from even being considered in that group. But 1:47 is with stock tires even. I don't know where you draw the line, if you are upgrading suspension parts and not just tires, rotors, and pads, but that’s still pretty basic kit to see 1:37, which does make it competitive with some supercars. I’d like to see a time with TM3P just with racing tires, pads, and rotors, but stock suspension, if it can beat 1:40 on that chart. By most accounts, the stock TM3P is ahead of the BMW M3 on the track, not just drag. It’s not a supercar, but it is the most super car you can get for $54k!

by zaroth 7y ago

supergauntlet 7y ago

This is proving my point. Look at the lap times on Laguna. https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna-seca-post-1988 https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna-seca-post-1988 Most of the stuff around the 1:45-1:47 mark is a hot hatch, a grand tourer, or a muscle car. Seriously, you gotta understand, I'm super hyped for the electric GT series with the Model S to take off, but these are not supercars. They're comparable to an M series BMW or a nice muscle car, which is fine.

zaroth 7y ago
I’m not even disagreeing with you! “Supercar” is obviously a loaded term. I would never expect a fully stock $54k product to meet that label. IMO, if it’s not six figures it’s by definition excluded from even being considered in that group. But 1:47 is with stock tires even. I don't know where you draw the line, if you are upgrading suspension parts and not just tires, rotors, and pads, but that’s still pretty basic kit to see 1:37, which does make it competitive with some supercars. I’d like to see a time with TM3P just with racing tires, pads, and rotors, but stock suspension, if it can beat 1:40 on that chart. By most accounts, the stock TM3P is ahead of the BMW M3 on the track, not just drag. It’s not a supercar, but it is the most super car you can get for $54k!