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I believe the strong term "evil" is only used because Google's motto is "don't be evil". Not everyone has the freedom to instantly change jobs. The world might

by peteey 7y ago

I believe the strong term "evil" is only used because Google's motto is "don't be evil". Not everyone has the freedom to instantly change jobs. The world might be a better place if employees had the right to whistle blow without being threatened with homelessness or fleeing to Russia. Unions striking and protesting against their companies for better wages seems acceptable. Why is protesting for ethical reasons without quitting faux pas?

SiempreViernes 7y ago
Didn't they drop that motto like 3 years ago?
- iamtheworstdev 7y ago
  I'd argue they quit practicing it when they IPOd, but technically the removal of the phrase from their Code of Conduct was more recent. https://gizmodo.com/google-removes-nearly-all-mentions-of-dont-be-evil-from-1826153393 https://gizmodo.com/google-removes-nearly-all-mentions-of-do...
- mondoshawan 7y ago
  Yes, but the beliefs of the folks that have been at Google for 5+ years hasn't changed. Source: been at google since 2006.
  - andrewprock 7y ago
    Something changed. Defense contracting is certainly something that many might characterize as "be evil".
    - sgift 7y ago
      And many as necessary to defend the way of life people enjoy in USA and comparable countries. Defense work = bad is not a universal position.
KUcxrAVrtI 7y ago
>Unions striking and protesting against their companies for better wages seems acceptable. Why is protesting for ethical reasons without quitting faux pas? Because unions embrace the violence inherent in the system, at least the good ones. This is peak wokeness, where stuck up women have found out that 'equality' in the workplace only extends to when you cost your employer money. That anyone is surprised by this shows a naivete that borders on idiocy.
TheHypnotist 7y ago
Google's motto was don't be evil. I believe it was removed. Source: https://gizmodo.com/google-removes-nearly-all-mentions-of-dont-be-evil-from-1826153393 https://gizmodo.com/google-removes-nearly-all-mentions-of-do...
- nvrspyx 7y ago
  Google doesn’t really have a “motto” or “corporate philosophy” publicly available anymore. It’s just the Code of Conduct now. “Don’t be evil” used to be in the preface, but it was moved to the end of their Code of Conduct. However, it does feel less salient and it kinda feels inconsequential now though. > And remember… don’t be evil, and if you see something that you think isn’t right – speak up! https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/ https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/
Nasrudith 7y ago
Well the Unionization has received explicit protections in being fought for and even then it isn't liked in US companies at the corporate level to put it mildly - seen only as unmitigated downsides and something to avoid. But workers can all agree on wanting more wages or better working conditions even if they may argue on how they are distributed (fixed paygrades vs performancel. Ethics protests aren't so enshrined for one. The views of ethics are often personal and ideologically entangled to some degree. Self selection has been more favored and the protests bring to mind the "obvious" but assailable objection "Why not just quit and associate with others more like-minded." It gets into messy areas of rights of association in ideal vs practice. Ideology isn't protected and is explicitly trumped by other areas like anti-discrimination laws. Many can see "strawman" can of worms being opened (they may be reasonable in this case but what of successors) accepted as a norm without a sensible defined law or doctrine. There were the whole clerks refusing shall issue marriage licenses and nobody wants a situation disrupted by free rider "do nothing vegans in the slaughterhouse" or similar absurdities. This isn't saying the current situation is ideal at all but that changes are non-trivial and there are reasons to suspect the precedent would be preferrable to most.

by peteey 7y ago

SiempreViernes 7y ago

Didn't they drop that motto like 3 years ago?

iamtheworstdev 7y ago
I'd argue they quit practicing it when they IPOd, but technically the removal of the phrase from their Code of Conduct was more recent. https://gizmodo.com/google-removes-nearly-all-mentions-of-dont-be-evil-from-1826153393 https://gizmodo.com/google-removes-nearly-all-mentions-of-do...
mondoshawan 7y ago
Yes, but the beliefs of the folks that have been at Google for 5+ years hasn't changed. Source: been at google since 2006.
- andrewprock 7y ago
  Something changed. Defense contracting is certainly something that many might characterize as "be evil".
  - sgift 7y ago
    And many as necessary to defend the way of life people enjoy in USA and comparable countries. Defense work = bad is not a universal position.

KUcxrAVrtI 7y ago

>Unions striking and protesting against their companies for better wages seems acceptable. Why is protesting for ethical reasons without quitting faux pas? Because unions embrace the violence inherent in the system, at least the good ones. This is peak wokeness, where stuck up women have found out that 'equality' in the workplace only extends to when you cost your employer money. That anyone is surprised by this shows a naivete that borders on idiocy.

TheHypnotist 7y ago

Google's motto was don't be evil. I believe it was removed. Source: https://gizmodo.com/google-removes-nearly-all-mentions-of-dont-be-evil-from-1826153393 https://gizmodo.com/google-removes-nearly-all-mentions-of-do...

nvrspyx 7y ago
Google doesn’t really have a “motto” or “corporate philosophy” publicly available anymore. It’s just the Code of Conduct now. “Don’t be evil” used to be in the preface, but it was moved to the end of their Code of Conduct. However, it does feel less salient and it kinda feels inconsequential now though. > And remember… don’t be evil, and if you see something that you think isn’t right – speak up! https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/ https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/

Nasrudith 7y ago

Well the Unionization has received explicit protections in being fought for and even then it isn't liked in US companies at the corporate level to put it mildly - seen only as unmitigated downsides and something to avoid. But workers can all agree on wanting more wages or better working conditions even if they may argue on how they are distributed (fixed paygrades vs performancel. Ethics protests aren't so enshrined for one. The views of ethics are often personal and ideologically entangled to some degree. Self selection has been more favored and the protests bring to mind the "obvious" but assailable objection "Why not just quit and associate with others more like-minded." It gets into messy areas of rights of association in ideal vs practice. Ideology isn't protected and is explicitly trumped by other areas like anti-discrimination laws. Many can see "strawman" can of worms being opened (they may be reasonable in this case but what of successors) accepted as a norm without a sensible defined law or doctrine. There were the whole clerks refusing shall issue marriage licenses and nobody wants a situation disrupted by free rider "do nothing vegans in the slaughterhouse" or similar absurdities. This isn't saying the current situation is ideal at all but that changes are non-trivial and there are reasons to suspect the precedent would be preferrable to most.