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It's bad to retaliate against workers who organize against sexual harassment and gender compensation disparity in the workplace. It looks bad because it is bad
by CydeWeys 7y ago
It's bad to retaliate against workers who organize against sexual harassment and gender compensation disparity in the workplace. It looks bad because it is bad.
- cobookman 7y agoProof of retaliation? I've yet to see anything concrete here. If anything it sounded like they disagreed with the company's business direction. Leaders listened, made some changes. They still disagreed...this time with leadership not feeling a change was necessary. they then quit as they disagreed with the company's direction.
- Jasper_ 7y agoShe was demoted without warning while her boss was giving her high remarks. The company reversed the demotion after she brought in a lawyer. That's retaliation.
- CydeWeys 7y agoThis is a separate issue now though. Just because something isn't completely proven (yet, anyway) doesn't mean that it doesn't already look bad from the outset. And if you listen to what they're actually saying, they're alleging retaliation, not merely disagreeing with the direction the company is going on.
- dmix 7y agoSo as long as you have good intentions you should be free to bring whatever politics to work? Regardless of how, as long as what your protesting the right things everything else doesn’t matter?
- Afton 7y agoProtesting against sexual harrassement and and equal compensation are just 'your politics'? huh.
- PhasmaFelis 7y agoWhen people say they want politics out of something, what they really mean is they want everyone else's politics out. My beliefs are common sense; your beliefs are partisan politics.
- dmix 7y agoThe fact you're conflating sexual harrassment (which is illegal almost everywhere) with an incredibly politicized concept as "equal compensation" (which even within one's own family there are wide disparities in outcomes, as even siblings from the same house can have widely different career outcomes, let alone in society) says everything... I also don’t like being told I support sexual harassment because I don’t think highly politicized work environments (note I said work environment not society) are a healthy environment. That’s a dirty tactic.
- pvg 7y agoincredibly politicized concept as "equal compensation" (which doesn't exist [...] Take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_pay_for_equal_work https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_pay_for_equal_work
- dmix 7y agoWay to chop off my sentence at the perfect point for you to counter it, while ignoring the rest of the context it was said. I’ve edited it now so it won’t be.
- davidw 7y agoIf by "politics" you mean "not being harassed" or "paid the same for the same work", yes, yes you should be free to bring that to work. Every damn day.
- dmix 7y agoHarassment is a crime and plenty of workplace laws are in place for that. If Google fired someone for speaking up against an incident of harassment that would be a huge story in the media.
- Jasper_ 7y agoYes, if only there was some news story alleging that Google treated workers poorly after raising harassment concerns. Sounds like you want to see that!
- dmix 7y agoShe reported an incident of sexual harassment that was ignored and then she was fired?
- CydeWeys 7y agoI can't speak specifically to this case, but yes, that happens all the damn time. Higher-ups are protected in harassment incidents and the victim is retaliated against.
- Afton 7y agoFrom the actual article: ```She was one of six women who organized massive walkouts after reports that Google paid handsome sums to executives accused of sexual harassment.```
- quibbler 7y agoShe didn't report those incidents. She merely organized a generic protest.
- deathanatos 7y ago> So as long as you have good intentions you should be free to bring whatever politics to work? (IANAL.) Gender discrimination, and sexual harassment in the workplace are against the law in California. I believe the law also protects against retaliation for claims of violations of these things. This is hardly "bringing politics to work".
- repolfx 7y agoIt's bringing politics to work if you aren't blowing the whistle on illegal behaviour. These people, regardless of what they thought they were doing, weren't blowing the whistle on anything because they failed to highlight any illegal behaviour. Remember that Google is the company that initiated a massive review of pay to try and uncover this supposedly widespread sexist underpaying of women. It discovered it was underpaying men and had to adjust men's pay upwards. Likewise their big walkout was triggered by the fact that Andy Rubin was fired, but also paid money, after a woman he was in a consensual relationship with discovered he was cheating and made an (unverifiable) accusation against him. But this isn't Google tolerating sexual harassment in any legal sense of the term. So what makes you think the law has anything to do with their protests?
- zorpner 7y agoTell people not to "bring whatever politics to work" is explicit endorsement of the status quo. There is no neutral stance; everything is political.
- neonate 7y ago> everything is political I just fixed a bug involving a typo in a regular expression. Do you think that was political? If so, I'd like to see how. If not, I'd like to know how to tell what is political apart from what is not political.
- tptacek 7y agoYou're composing a bit of a motte-and-bailey argument here. From your replies downthread, it seems clear that you have issues with the underlying concerns of the protests. But your opening bid for the argument is "politics don't belong in the workplace". If you were up-front about this, you'd say "harassment and discrimination are political issues that shouldn't be organized around". Of course, that argument wouldn't carry well here. But it'd be more intellectually honest.
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- KUcxrAVrtI 7y agoSounds like getting rid of troublemakers who bite the hand that feeds them. If anything this will make googles stock price go up.
- SolaceQuantum 7y agoProtesting a lack of good general harassment handling shouldn't be considered trouble making behavior. The sexual harassment is trouble making and it was rewarded with hush money.
- KUcxrAVrtI 7y agoThey are specifically being targeted for forcing google out of China according to the article. It was fine as long as they were merely targeting social issues within google.
- CydeWeys 7y ago¿Por que no los dos?
- KUcxrAVrtI 7y agoBecause they were forced out after they publicly called google out on their Chinese stance. They were facing no consequences when it was merely men they were chasing out of google.
- CydeWeys 7y agoThe wheels grind slowly. You're expecting too much action too quickly. Also, "when it was merely men they were chasing out of google" is not remotely an accurate description of what the walkout was about. Do better.
- AlexandrB 7y agoThe hand that feeds Google are its employees. If the cream evaporates because of nasty behaviour like this the stock won't be up for too long.
- quibbler 7y agoNot really, because those are actually hate campaigns against men. Plenty of people would prefer their emploers to stay out of such shenanigans.