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$DAYJOB is about installing satellite equipment of all sorts. It's very challenging to establish high-bandwidth satellite links from a helicopter due to the ro

by plq 7y ago

$DAYJOB is about installing satellite equipment of all sorts. It's very challenging to establish high-bandwidth satellite links from a helicopter due to the rotor blades. I'm guessing VHF is used to avoid line-of-sight transmission at an angle that can avoid the blades. It's however quite possible to establish satellite links from fixed-wing aircraft. The speed is a direct function of available satellite bandwidth (ie. money). BUT, high throughput satellite systems (HTS), are a relatively new marvel of technology and are very costly to retrofit on airplanes because no airplane maker will want to allow a new hole on the aircraft's body. So I'm assuming the fixed-wing aircraft lacks the required satellite equipment (as well as broadcast-management equipment typically found in live-action-reporting trucks) hence the beaming back to trucks.

consp 7y ago
> ... hence the beaming back to trucks. Almost all of the television/radio broadcasting stations have their own uplink trucks (and directing rooms for their own camera's) on site. My guess is they send it there to allow the stations to intermix their own signals before sending it out, as well as to give the live reporters (which are at the finish) to view the most recent image without going though satellite delays.
GordonS 7y ago
Probably a naive question, but would it be possible to use drones instead of helicopters for this? My thinking is they are significantly cheaper to buy and fly, and presumably much safer for pedestrians too. Maybe they could also form a mesh network to avoid a single point of failure.
- joshvm 7y ago
  Depends how big the dish is. But at the size where it would become competitive for endurance and risk tolerance you might as well charter or buy an aircraft that'd do a better job. If you want a drone that's safer than the average helicopter, you're going to be paying a lot of money.
  - GordonS 7y ago
    Regarding safety, what I meant is that a helicopter coming down in a crowd is going to be absolute carnage - a drone could do serious damage, but the death and injury toll would surely be a rounding error by comparison.
    - bagacrap 7y ago
      But drones have a much greater chance of crashing I would think.
      - henvic 7y ago
        Curious... Do you have data to back up your claims? * about more professional drones
        jdietrich 7y ago
        The professional peloton is an incredibly noisy RF environment. Every rider is carrying a two-way radio and a telemetry transponder, every car in the caravan has multiple radio systems, the TV motos are transmitting back to relay trucks with satellite uplinks. Much of a grand tour takes place on mountain roads replete with canyons, cuttings and tunnels. If you're flying a drone in proximity to the peloton, it's not a question of if you'll lose your control signal link, but how often. I don't know how anyone could operate a drone in that environment with any degree of confidence, even if it's capable of GPS position hold. What happens if you lose your control link just as your battery is running flat? What happens if your chase vehicle gets stuck in traffic and your drone is stuck loitering on the other side of a tunnel? How can a large, heavy drone autonomously find a safe landing place on a mountain stage that's littered with thousands of spectators? A drone big enough to carry the requisite broadcast equipment is undoubtedly heavy enough to kill a bystander. Broadcasters and race organisers have been using helicopters for decades and know how to manage them safely. Drones simply present too many unknowns. To the best of my knowledge, no helicopter has ever crashed while covering a cycling race. There have been a few incidents where the downdraft from a helicopter caused riders to crash, but none of them were serious.
- sangnoir 7y ago
  (Battery-powered) Drones have ridiculously short loiter times compared to helicopters
- plq 7y ago
  The lightest video-capable satellite terminal that I, a mere civilian, know of weighs around 3kg. Even as a satellite equipment, it's relatively expensive to buy and operate. Its power requirements are also non-trivial, both because of the need for highly compressed video and the high-power radio transmission. I think you can do the math from there.

by plq 7y ago

consp 7y ago

> ... hence the beaming back to trucks. Almost all of the television/radio broadcasting stations have their own uplink trucks (and directing rooms for their own camera's) on site. My guess is they send it there to allow the stations to intermix their own signals before sending it out, as well as to give the live reporters (which are at the finish) to view the most recent image without going though satellite delays.

GordonS 7y ago

Probably a naive question, but would it be possible to use drones instead of helicopters for this? My thinking is they are significantly cheaper to buy and fly, and presumably much safer for pedestrians too. Maybe they could also form a mesh network to avoid a single point of failure.

joshvm 7y ago
Depends how big the dish is. But at the size where it would become competitive for endurance and risk tolerance you might as well charter or buy an aircraft that'd do a better job. If you want a drone that's safer than the average helicopter, you're going to be paying a lot of money.
- GordonS 7y ago
  Regarding safety, what I meant is that a helicopter coming down in a crowd is going to be absolute carnage - a drone could do serious damage, but the death and injury toll would surely be a rounding error by comparison.
  - bagacrap 7y ago
    But drones have a much greater chance of crashing I would think.
    - henvic 7y ago
      Curious... Do you have data to back up your claims? * about more professional drones
      - jdietrich 7y ago
        The professional peloton is an incredibly noisy RF environment. Every rider is carrying a two-way radio and a telemetry transponder, every car in the caravan has multiple radio systems, the TV motos are transmitting back to relay trucks with satellite uplinks. Much of a grand tour takes place on mountain roads replete with canyons, cuttings and tunnels. If you're flying a drone in proximity to the peloton, it's not a question of if you'll lose your control signal link, but how often. I don't know how anyone could operate a drone in that environment with any degree of confidence, even if it's capable of GPS position hold. What happens if you lose your control link just as your battery is running flat? What happens if your chase vehicle gets stuck in traffic and your drone is stuck loitering on the other side of a tunnel? How can a large, heavy drone autonomously find a safe landing place on a mountain stage that's littered with thousands of spectators? A drone big enough to carry the requisite broadcast equipment is undoubtedly heavy enough to kill a bystander. Broadcasters and race organisers have been using helicopters for decades and know how to manage them safely. Drones simply present too many unknowns. To the best of my knowledge, no helicopter has ever crashed while covering a cycling race. There have been a few incidents where the downdraft from a helicopter caused riders to crash, but none of them were serious.
sangnoir 7y ago
(Battery-powered) Drones have ridiculously short loiter times compared to helicopters
plq 7y ago
The lightest video-capable satellite terminal that I, a mere civilian, know of weighs around 3kg. Even as a satellite equipment, it's relatively expensive to buy and operate. Its power requirements are also non-trivial, both because of the need for highly compressed video and the high-power radio transmission. I think you can do the math from there.