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Yes. This "you're singling Tesla out" persecution complex is getting old. Tesla is an amazing company in many ways, but there's plenty of bad to go along with t

Yes. This "you're singling Tesla out" persecution complex is getting old. Tesla is an amazing company in many ways, but there's plenty of bad to go along with the good.

JoeAltmaier 7y ago
Isn't it telling that folks have Tesla under a microscope at all?
- stonogo 7y ago
  No. All automakers get scrutinized by someone. What's telling is your overreaction to it.
  - ajross 7y ago
    > All automakers get scrutinized by someone. Citation needed. I've never seen a story this thin (one photo of tape holding down a nonstructural plastic housing) run about another manufacturer. You have a counterexample?
    - bildung 7y ago
      In the thread above CNBC got accused of a hidden agenda against Tesla, because their reporting is critical. These are the headlines for Toyota (Google with "site:cnbc.com toyota"): * Toyota plans to recall 1 million hybrid models over wiring issue * Toyota recalls 70,000 vehicles to replace air bag inflators - CNBC.com * Toyota operating profit growth to drop this year on revenue slip * Toyota is making high-performance versions of the Camry and Avalon * Toyota struggles to save breakthrough Prius hybrid - CNBC.com * Toyota and SoftBank are teaming up to target self-driving car services * 2018 Toyota Land Cruiser review - CNBC.com * Toyota recalls 2.4 million hybrids due to stalling problems - CNBC.com
      - ajross 7y ago
        1. A recall, which is a real business event with a big price tag. 2. Another recall 3. Corporate accounting announcement. 4. Product announcement. 5. Product analysis. 6. Product announcement. 7. Product review. 8. A third recall. Those all seem awfully newsworthy to me. And they're sourced well, with citations going all the way up the corporate ladder. How exactly do you argue that these are journalistically equivalent to "here's a picture of tape"?
    - swish_bob 7y ago
      > Six current and former employees supported their accounts of work in GA4 but asked to remain unidentified. The shortcuts in question include using electrical tape to fix cracked plastic components, passing cars known to be missing bolts or lug nuts, and reduction of testing. This whole "it's one picture of tape, there's no _real_ evidence, sheeple!" bleating is getting wearing.
ajross 7y ago
You have a link to equivalent worries about Mazda or Audi or someone? I mean... it's not a persecution complex if there's actual persecution. No one writes articles about tape on Fords. Ever.
- supergauntlet 7y ago
  Does Ford use electrical tape in lieu of heatshrink tubing?
  - cptskippy 7y ago
    Sadly, for you, the article does not say Tesla used tape in-lieu of heat-shrink tubing or even mention heat-shrink at all. It simply states a fact that "factory tape is high-quality and looks as if it’s shrink-wrapped on a part" to provide contrast to the product Tesla was using. The usage of the tape, as suggested by the article, wasn't for electrical insulation or wiring protection.
    - supergauntlet 7y ago
      Weird, I saw people elsewhere in the comments mention heatshrink tubing being substituted with electrical tape. Definitely does seem like a weird thing to base an article on especially when Tesla does lots of other things wrong.
      - ajross 7y ago
        > Weird, I saw people elsewhere in the comments mention heatshrink tubing being substituted with electrical tape. Right, because like I said above, the prevailing paradigm is to skewer Tesla by extrapolating from any available datapoint. So people take "tape" and invent reasons for the tape that don't appear in the article. Some of this isn't the posters' fault, because the article is sensationalized and is clearly trying to lead you to a conclusion about "tape" that it can't make with the simple facts presented. Which is a media behavior that is, in the auto industry as of right now, almost exclusive to Tesla. No one runs dirt stories about tape on Fords, not because there isn't any (I mean, who knows, but none of would be shocked to read about it) but because even if there was, no one would care.

Yes. This "you're singling Tesla out" persecution complex is getting old. Tesla is an amazing company in many ways, but there's plenty of bad to go along with the good.

JoeAltmaier 7y ago

Isn't it telling that folks have Tesla under a microscope at all?

stonogo 7y ago
No. All automakers get scrutinized by someone. What's telling is your overreaction to it.
- ajross 7y ago
  > All automakers get scrutinized by someone. Citation needed. I've never seen a story this thin (one photo of tape holding down a nonstructural plastic housing) run about another manufacturer. You have a counterexample?
  - bildung 7y ago
    In the thread above CNBC got accused of a hidden agenda against Tesla, because their reporting is critical. These are the headlines for Toyota (Google with "site:cnbc.com toyota"): * Toyota plans to recall 1 million hybrid models over wiring issue * Toyota recalls 70,000 vehicles to replace air bag inflators - CNBC.com * Toyota operating profit growth to drop this year on revenue slip * Toyota is making high-performance versions of the Camry and Avalon * Toyota struggles to save breakthrough Prius hybrid - CNBC.com * Toyota and SoftBank are teaming up to target self-driving car services * 2018 Toyota Land Cruiser review - CNBC.com * Toyota recalls 2.4 million hybrids due to stalling problems - CNBC.com
    - ajross 7y ago
      1. A recall, which is a real business event with a big price tag. 2. Another recall 3. Corporate accounting announcement. 4. Product announcement. 5. Product analysis. 6. Product announcement. 7. Product review. 8. A third recall. Those all seem awfully newsworthy to me. And they're sourced well, with citations going all the way up the corporate ladder. How exactly do you argue that these are journalistically equivalent to "here's a picture of tape"?
  - swish_bob 7y ago
    > Six current and former employees supported their accounts of work in GA4 but asked to remain unidentified. The shortcuts in question include using electrical tape to fix cracked plastic components, passing cars known to be missing bolts or lug nuts, and reduction of testing. This whole "it's one picture of tape, there's no _real_ evidence, sheeple!" bleating is getting wearing.

ajross 7y ago

You have a link to equivalent worries about Mazda or Audi or someone? I mean... it's not a persecution complex if there's actual persecution. No one writes articles about tape on Fords. Ever.

supergauntlet 7y ago
Does Ford use electrical tape in lieu of heatshrink tubing?
- cptskippy 7y ago
  Sadly, for you, the article does not say Tesla used tape in-lieu of heat-shrink tubing or even mention heat-shrink at all. It simply states a fact that "factory tape is high-quality and looks as if it’s shrink-wrapped on a part" to provide contrast to the product Tesla was using. The usage of the tape, as suggested by the article, wasn't for electrical insulation or wiring protection.
  - supergauntlet 7y ago
    Weird, I saw people elsewhere in the comments mention heatshrink tubing being substituted with electrical tape. Definitely does seem like a weird thing to base an article on especially when Tesla does lots of other things wrong.
    - ajross 7y ago
      > Weird, I saw people elsewhere in the comments mention heatshrink tubing being substituted with electrical tape. Right, because like I said above, the prevailing paradigm is to skewer Tesla by extrapolating from any available datapoint. So people take "tape" and invent reasons for the tape that don't appear in the article. Some of this isn't the posters' fault, because the article is sensationalized and is clearly trying to lead you to a conclusion about "tape" that it can't make with the simple facts presented. Which is a media behavior that is, in the auto industry as of right now, almost exclusive to Tesla. No one runs dirt stories about tape on Fords, not because there isn't any (I mean, who knows, but none of would be shocked to read about it) but because even if there was, no one would care.