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Since when is 0-60 the go-to stat for performance? It's once metric of many in how a car performs. And yes, there is plenty of performance competition at thos

Since when is 0-60 the go-to stat for performance? It's once metric of many in how a car performs. And yes, there is plenty of performance competition at those prices. The 100D runs a 10.5 quarter mile, which is really good, but not world beating. Factor in any of the competitors pricing their cars below production cost and the landscape looks much different.

mywittyname 7y ago
A 10.5 is an INSANE quarter mile time. That's like track prepped sport bike speeds. I go to the strip several times a year and I'm pretty sure running a sub-11 quarter mile would scare me. This is coming from someone who drives a reasonably quick car (12.7ish). I do agree that 0-60 is a silly performance benchmark, since it measures traction more than power in modern cars. But performance Telsas are fast by any measure.
- tvon 7y ago
  The M5 does a 10.5 1/4 mile, it is a very impressive time for a production vehicle but it's not insane. A lot of production sports bikes are into the 9s. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_cars_by_acceleration#By_1/4_mile_or_400_metre_times_(11_seconds_or_less)[ii] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_car... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_motorcycles_by_acceleration#By_quarter-mile_time,_12_seconds_or_less https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_mot... edit: Actually 10.5 is pretty insane for a production vehicle but we live in a time with a lot of insanely fast and overpowered cars.
  - lazyjones 7y ago
    > The M5 does a 10.5 1/4 mile Source? On your wikipedia page it says 10.9 ... Also, it's currently more expensive than a Model S Performance.
    - tvon 7y ago
      Source was just a google of M5, but you're right that page says 10.9. It was an argument against the "insanity" of a 10.5 time, you're right it costs quite a bit more.
      - mywittyname 7y ago
        A 10.5 is only normal to arm-chair racers spoiled by the glut of 600+hp factory cars. Even 10 years ago, those times were reserved for hyper-cars, or stripped-out hotrods which were towed to the track. Even today it's impressive to see a street car run under 12s. On a given test and tune night, I'll see maybe one out of 50 street cars run sub-11s, and they're always obviously modified. You claim it isn't insane, yet your example is BMW's fastest car. I'll throw out another Definitely Not Insane Car running a similar time: Ferrari 488 GTB.
        navigatesol 7y ago
        >You claim it isn't insane Whether or not it's "insane" is semantics. The point is that once you get up into this echelon of cars, 10.5 isn't game-changing. Chrysler built a car that will stomp the Model S, and it costs 20% less. For $100k you can build many cars that will outperform a Model S; 10.5 quarter mile isn't "insane" at that price if that's what you're optimizing for. I suppose it's exhausting seeing Tesla marketing claim "fastest car ever!" because 0-60s are fast (which, as you said is mostly due to traction and the electric drivetrain). It's embarrassing when people start comparing the Model S performance to Ferraris and Lamborghinis. They aren't even in the same league when it comes to being race ready.
        lazyjones 7y ago
        > Chrysler built a car that will stomp the Model S, and it costs 20% less. Which car is that?
- mikestew 7y ago
  A 10.5 is an INSANE quarter mile time. That's like track prepped sport bike speeds. No, it's not. It's what my old-man BMW on/off road bike will do (with a Cycle World editor onboard, not me). It's what the 1982 Honda 1100cc V65 Magna would do (with Pee Wee Gleason, professional drag racer, onboard) 37 years ago. Pretty nuts for a car, though.
  - navigatesol 7y ago
    >No, it's not Indeed. Any stock Supersport 600 bike will do 10.5 right out of the showroom.
ameister14 7y ago
The only car that is priced at all similarly is the SRT Demon, and that's a limited run. Are you seriously arguing that the 100D is priced hundreds of thousands below cost, or even 10s of thousands?

mywittyname 7y ago

A 10.5 is an INSANE quarter mile time. That's like track prepped sport bike speeds. I go to the strip several times a year and I'm pretty sure running a sub-11 quarter mile would scare me. This is coming from someone who drives a reasonably quick car (12.7ish). I do agree that 0-60 is a silly performance benchmark, since it measures traction more than power in modern cars. But performance Telsas are fast by any measure.

tvon 7y ago
The M5 does a 10.5 1/4 mile, it is a very impressive time for a production vehicle but it's not insane. A lot of production sports bikes are into the 9s. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_cars_by_acceleration#By_1/4_mile_or_400_metre_times_(11_seconds_or_less)[ii] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_car... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_motorcycles_by_acceleration#By_quarter-mile_time,_12_seconds_or_less https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fastest_production_mot... edit: Actually 10.5 is pretty insane for a production vehicle but we live in a time with a lot of insanely fast and overpowered cars.
- lazyjones 7y ago
  > The M5 does a 10.5 1/4 mile Source? On your wikipedia page it says 10.9 ... Also, it's currently more expensive than a Model S Performance.
  - tvon 7y ago
    Source was just a google of M5, but you're right that page says 10.9. It was an argument against the "insanity" of a 10.5 time, you're right it costs quite a bit more.
    - mywittyname 7y ago
      A 10.5 is only normal to arm-chair racers spoiled by the glut of 600+hp factory cars. Even 10 years ago, those times were reserved for hyper-cars, or stripped-out hotrods which were towed to the track. Even today it's impressive to see a street car run under 12s. On a given test and tune night, I'll see maybe one out of 50 street cars run sub-11s, and they're always obviously modified. You claim it isn't insane, yet your example is BMW's fastest car. I'll throw out another Definitely Not Insane Car running a similar time: Ferrari 488 GTB.
      - navigatesol 7y ago
        >You claim it isn't insane Whether or not it's "insane" is semantics. The point is that once you get up into this echelon of cars, 10.5 isn't game-changing. Chrysler built a car that will stomp the Model S, and it costs 20% less. For $100k you can build many cars that will outperform a Model S; 10.5 quarter mile isn't "insane" at that price if that's what you're optimizing for. I suppose it's exhausting seeing Tesla marketing claim "fastest car ever!" because 0-60s are fast (which, as you said is mostly due to traction and the electric drivetrain). It's embarrassing when people start comparing the Model S performance to Ferraris and Lamborghinis. They aren't even in the same league when it comes to being race ready.
        lazyjones 7y ago
        > Chrysler built a car that will stomp the Model S, and it costs 20% less. Which car is that?
mikestew 7y ago
A 10.5 is an INSANE quarter mile time. That's like track prepped sport bike speeds. No, it's not. It's what my old-man BMW on/off road bike will do (with a Cycle World editor onboard, not me). It's what the 1982 Honda 1100cc V65 Magna would do (with Pee Wee Gleason, professional drag racer, onboard) 37 years ago. Pretty nuts for a car, though.
- navigatesol 7y ago
  >No, it's not Indeed. Any stock Supersport 600 bike will do 10.5 right out of the showroom.

ameister14 7y ago

The only car that is priced at all similarly is the SRT Demon, and that's a limited run. Are you seriously arguing that the 100D is priced hundreds of thousands below cost, or even 10s of thousands?