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> In fact, we have a large number of employees who request to work on GA4 based on what they hear from colleagues and what they have seen first-hand Wonder if

> In fact, we have a large number of employees who request to work on GA4 based on what they hear from colleagues and what they have seen first-hand Wonder if the Tesla spokesman has a desk there. Off the top of my head I can't imagine a reason why the tent would be such a great place to work. Equal maybe but certainly not better than a factory building that was not put up in a hurry to meet demands. In any manufacturing job the "get it done" mantra is pretty much guaranteed to rear its head from time to time. Issuing such a strong blanket rejection for every single point really undermines the rejection.

cptskippy 7y ago
> Off the top of my head I can't imagine a reason why the tent would be such a great place to work. It's in Fremont California where the weather averages 49-69F with extremes being 42F and 79F. It's outside so constantly moving fresh air, and it's covered so no sun beating down. The ends of the tent appear to be open letting natural light in and allowing you to look out at the sky. Contrast that to a typical factory that's a climate controlled coffin. I have no experience working in a factory setting but it seems like it's the difference between running outside vs indoor on a treadmill.
- fasicle 7y ago
  I worked in a factory for a couple of weeks putting radiators on Defenders [0]. The work was extremely boring (30 second task repeated 8 hours a day) but temperature / conditions were never an issue. Workers were looked after seemingly well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Defender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Defender
  - cptskippy 7y ago
    I guess my point is that the climate of the region is such that I don't see it being an issue to be "outside" and that it might be more pleasant than an actual factory, then again I'm ignorant to the dress code or actual temperature of a typical automotive factory.
    - close04 7y ago
      The temperatures you listed are close to freezing (sometimes below freezing). Are you sure working in a tent at those temps is "pleasant"? The chances of the tent providing the same levels of climate control as the factory building are close to none which is why workers had to use the radiators against company policy. And the policy makes sense given the clear danger of a fire.
      - cptskippy 7y ago
        > The temperatures you listed are close to freezing (sometimes below freezing). None of the temperatures listed were close to or below freezing. Freezing is 32 degrees Fahrenheit, the lowest temperature I mentioned was 42F which is 10 degrees above freezing. > Are you sure working in a tent at those temps is "pleasant"? I listed the min and max temperatures as well as the the average min and max temperatures for a reason. The average min temperature is 7 degrees warmer than the min and both would occur overnight. Is the tent a 24 hour operation? If not then it's unlikely that workers would have to endure the "freezing" 42F weather at all.
        close04 7y ago
        > In Fremont [...] the temperature typically varies from 43°F to 82°F and is rarely below 35°F or above 92°F. From the link I posted below. Rarely below 35F (~1.5C) is still pretty damn cold. Would you want your workplace to be "just about freezing" once in a while? What I mean is I'm pretty sure Tesla's statements are the regular PR thing any company in their position would put out, they just exaggerated a bit with "they actually insist on it". Maybe they took an existing example and didn't mind implying it's a general thing.
        cptskippy 7y ago
        Rarely being below 35F does not mean routinely 35F as you're implying.
        7y ago
- close04 7y ago
  Your description suggests the tent is actually better than the factory building in such climates (even ones with occasional below freezing temperatures). I have to ask why Tesla didn't go for a tent from the start. The logical conclusion is that the factory building provides necessary extras that still justify the incredibly high costs. And the extremes you mention are still averages. So with an average low of 43F (~6C) in December [0] you may see minimums of just over 30F (-1C) so it's perfectly conceivable that it can get pretty uncomfortable to work. Same applies to summers, possibly to a lower extent. [0] https://weatherspark.com/y/1076/Average-Weather-in-Fremont-California-United-States-Year-Round https://weatherspark.com/y/1076/Average-Weather-in-Fremont-C...
  - cptskippy 7y ago
    > Your description suggests the tent is actually better than the factory building in such climates (even ones with occasional below freezing temperatures). No, the op was struggling to think of a reason why a worker might request to work in a tent. I suggested that it might be due to the climate. You're arguing that it's inconceivable that anyone in that climate might volunteer to work outside because one time in the last 4 years the temperature got down to 32F in the dead of winter in the middle of the night. Have you ever been to Fremont? It's gorgeous year round.
    - close04 7y ago
      I am the OP and I’m still struggling to understand how working in a tent at potentially freezing outside temps (see link above for minimums and average minimums) can be anywhere close to comfortable. You have to keep in mind that work doesn’t stop on those days (or nights). And I’m pretty sure it’s not just a 9-5 shift. Obviously the people found the need for radiators which can be very dangerous in that environment.
      - cptskippy 7y ago
        No one ever said it was. You're making up a fiction you can defeat.

cptskippy 7y ago

> Off the top of my head I can't imagine a reason why the tent would be such a great place to work. It's in Fremont California where the weather averages 49-69F with extremes being 42F and 79F. It's outside so constantly moving fresh air, and it's covered so no sun beating down. The ends of the tent appear to be open letting natural light in and allowing you to look out at the sky. Contrast that to a typical factory that's a climate controlled coffin. I have no experience working in a factory setting but it seems like it's the difference between running outside vs indoor on a treadmill.

fasicle 7y ago
I worked in a factory for a couple of weeks putting radiators on Defenders [0]. The work was extremely boring (30 second task repeated 8 hours a day) but temperature / conditions were never an issue. Workers were looked after seemingly well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Defender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Defender
- cptskippy 7y ago
  I guess my point is that the climate of the region is such that I don't see it being an issue to be "outside" and that it might be more pleasant than an actual factory, then again I'm ignorant to the dress code or actual temperature of a typical automotive factory.
  - close04 7y ago
    The temperatures you listed are close to freezing (sometimes below freezing). Are you sure working in a tent at those temps is "pleasant"? The chances of the tent providing the same levels of climate control as the factory building are close to none which is why workers had to use the radiators against company policy. And the policy makes sense given the clear danger of a fire.
    - cptskippy 7y ago
      > The temperatures you listed are close to freezing (sometimes below freezing). None of the temperatures listed were close to or below freezing. Freezing is 32 degrees Fahrenheit, the lowest temperature I mentioned was 42F which is 10 degrees above freezing. > Are you sure working in a tent at those temps is "pleasant"? I listed the min and max temperatures as well as the the average min and max temperatures for a reason. The average min temperature is 7 degrees warmer than the min and both would occur overnight. Is the tent a 24 hour operation? If not then it's unlikely that workers would have to endure the "freezing" 42F weather at all.
      - close04 7y ago
        > In Fremont [...] the temperature typically varies from 43°F to 82°F and is rarely below 35°F or above 92°F. From the link I posted below. Rarely below 35F (~1.5C) is still pretty damn cold. Would you want your workplace to be "just about freezing" once in a while? What I mean is I'm pretty sure Tesla's statements are the regular PR thing any company in their position would put out, they just exaggerated a bit with "they actually insist on it". Maybe they took an existing example and didn't mind implying it's a general thing.
        cptskippy 7y ago
        Rarely being below 35F does not mean routinely 35F as you're implying.
        7y ago
close04 7y ago
Your description suggests the tent is actually better than the factory building in such climates (even ones with occasional below freezing temperatures). I have to ask why Tesla didn't go for a tent from the start. The logical conclusion is that the factory building provides necessary extras that still justify the incredibly high costs. And the extremes you mention are still averages. So with an average low of 43F (~6C) in December [0] you may see minimums of just over 30F (-1C) so it's perfectly conceivable that it can get pretty uncomfortable to work. Same applies to summers, possibly to a lower extent. [0] https://weatherspark.com/y/1076/Average-Weather-in-Fremont-California-United-States-Year-Round https://weatherspark.com/y/1076/Average-Weather-in-Fremont-C...
- cptskippy 7y ago
  > Your description suggests the tent is actually better than the factory building in such climates (even ones with occasional below freezing temperatures). No, the op was struggling to think of a reason why a worker might request to work in a tent. I suggested that it might be due to the climate. You're arguing that it's inconceivable that anyone in that climate might volunteer to work outside because one time in the last 4 years the temperature got down to 32F in the dead of winter in the middle of the night. Have you ever been to Fremont? It's gorgeous year round.
  - close04 7y ago
    I am the OP and I’m still struggling to understand how working in a tent at potentially freezing outside temps (see link above for minimums and average minimums) can be anywhere close to comfortable. You have to keep in mind that work doesn’t stop on those days (or nights). And I’m pretty sure it’s not just a 9-5 shift. Obviously the people found the need for radiators which can be very dangerous in that environment.
    - cptskippy 7y ago
      No one ever said it was. You're making up a fiction you can defeat.