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I don't like these articles for the simple fact that climate change deniers use it as "evidence" that climate change is fake

eloff 7y ago
What on earth does reforestation by humans have to do with climate change?
- King-Aaron 7y ago
  Sigh, clearly nothing if you aren't one of those people the previous comment was referring to
- dvfjsdhgfv 7y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-North_Shelter_Forest_Program#Relations_to_climate_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-North_Shelter_Forest_Pro...
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  "You see, Earth is getting greener! Things are getting better! Maybe we don't need to cut down on fossil fuels and wasteful consumption after all!"
  - hanniabu 7y ago
    Exactly, this is precisely the kind of stuff I hear. Also not sure why so many downvotes lol, I think many misunderstood what I was saying
    - TeMPOraL 7y ago
      They must have, yes. You have my upvote, FWIW.
  - eloff 7y ago
    That does sound like the kind of dumb thing people say (or thing dumb people say - seems equivalent in this case.) But logically the two are completely unconnected. Earth getting greener or browner doesn't say anything about climate change.
    - TeMPOraL 7y ago
      Greener -> more carbon sequestered -> better. It's not that simple in reality, but it's about on the level of an average person's knowledge about the topic.
      - eloff 7y ago
        That still doesn't say anything about climate change. It's all about rate of change of carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere. Greener in terms of forests is a temporary sequestration, greener in terms of farms is a net negative since the carbon is soon returned to the biosphere and we expend a lot of energy in the process. Just to know the earth is getting greener or browner is not enough information to say anything about climate change.
- quickthrower2 7y ago
  Trees convert the evil gas into the brown solid stuff. When there is less evil gas the world wont get as hot.
RaceWon 7y ago
> I don't like these articles for the simple fact that climate change In all likelihood the human race will be killed by computers (hacked, robotics, software errors, hardware failures, and so on and so on.. pick one), and Not climate change. Just sayin.
- kevinstubbs 7y ago
  Feels like you're assigning probabilities out of thin air. For example, not sure how hardware failures would wipe out the entire human race, or even cause the collapse of modern civilization across the planet - like every single piece of critical hardware in all major cities would somehow have to fail in a limited space of time. It would require controlled electricity (for lack of a better term) to spontaneously disappear - the laws of physics would have to change, or maybe every human to contract a virus that makes us allergic to being near large amounts of electricity. Not to mention there was nearly modern civilization before electronics were invented that we could fall back to. Sounds like a cool premise for a novel, but something fanciful to the extreme.
  - RaceWon 7y ago
    > Feels like you're assigning probabilities out of thin air. True, I did not run a probability study; however if one looks at the control that computers have on every facet of your existence and how often they fail--I'm pretty the odds would scare the fuck out of you. > Not to mention there was nearly modern civilization before electronics were invented that we could fall back to. You going down to the stream to fetch water when it no longer flows from your faucet? > like every single piece of critical hardware in all major cities would somehow have to fail Viruses could do it. People panic. Could you live a week without food or power? Please, I remember when Hurricane Sandy hit here in NY... it would not take much to turn society on its ear. Of course, I'm sure your right--after all Y2K never happened, and I mean who could foresee in 1983 that the future would actually be here in 17 LONG, LONG years.
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eloff 7y ago

What on earth does reforestation by humans have to do with climate change?

King-Aaron 7y ago
Sigh, clearly nothing if you aren't one of those people the previous comment was referring to
dvfjsdhgfv 7y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-North_Shelter_Forest_Program#Relations_to_climate_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-North_Shelter_Forest_Pro...
TeMPOraL 7y ago
"You see, Earth is getting greener! Things are getting better! Maybe we don't need to cut down on fossil fuels and wasteful consumption after all!"
- hanniabu 7y ago
  Exactly, this is precisely the kind of stuff I hear. Also not sure why so many downvotes lol, I think many misunderstood what I was saying
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    They must have, yes. You have my upvote, FWIW.
- eloff 7y ago
  That does sound like the kind of dumb thing people say (or thing dumb people say - seems equivalent in this case.) But logically the two are completely unconnected. Earth getting greener or browner doesn't say anything about climate change.
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    Greener -> more carbon sequestered -> better. It's not that simple in reality, but it's about on the level of an average person's knowledge about the topic.
    - eloff 7y ago
      That still doesn't say anything about climate change. It's all about rate of change of carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere. Greener in terms of forests is a temporary sequestration, greener in terms of farms is a net negative since the carbon is soon returned to the biosphere and we expend a lot of energy in the process. Just to know the earth is getting greener or browner is not enough information to say anything about climate change.
quickthrower2 7y ago
Trees convert the evil gas into the brown solid stuff. When there is less evil gas the world wont get as hot.

RaceWon 7y ago

> I don't like these articles for the simple fact that climate change In all likelihood the human race will be killed by computers (hacked, robotics, software errors, hardware failures, and so on and so on.. pick one), and Not climate change. Just sayin.

kevinstubbs 7y ago
Feels like you're assigning probabilities out of thin air. For example, not sure how hardware failures would wipe out the entire human race, or even cause the collapse of modern civilization across the planet - like every single piece of critical hardware in all major cities would somehow have to fail in a limited space of time. It would require controlled electricity (for lack of a better term) to spontaneously disappear - the laws of physics would have to change, or maybe every human to contract a virus that makes us allergic to being near large amounts of electricity. Not to mention there was nearly modern civilization before electronics were invented that we could fall back to. Sounds like a cool premise for a novel, but something fanciful to the extreme.
- RaceWon 7y ago
  > Feels like you're assigning probabilities out of thin air. True, I did not run a probability study; however if one looks at the control that computers have on every facet of your existence and how often they fail--I'm pretty the odds would scare the fuck out of you. > Not to mention there was nearly modern civilization before electronics were invented that we could fall back to. You going down to the stream to fetch water when it no longer flows from your faucet? > like every single piece of critical hardware in all major cities would somehow have to fail Viruses could do it. People panic. Could you live a week without food or power? Please, I remember when Hurricane Sandy hit here in NY... it would not take much to turn society on its ear. Of course, I'm sure your right--after all Y2K never happened, and I mean who could foresee in 1983 that the future would actually be here in 17 LONG, LONG years.
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