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When you eat out you can probably afford to tip better, why don't you? Do you hate restaurant workers?

mikeash 7y ago
I try to tip well. If you think I should tip better, make your case. If I disagree, I’ll make my case. I can guarantee you that if that happens, my argument won’t be that I’m tipping the market rate.
- fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
  Waitresses make less than minimum wage, don't they deserve healthcare, to raise a family, to live in the center of some of the most expensive real estate in the world and have at least two weeks paid vacation per year? If you were to tip say $50 to $100 each time you ate out this could be a reality. How much would $50 be compared to your net worth, less than 1%? Greedy capitalist.
  - mikeash 7y ago
    “If you were to tip say $50 to $100 each time you ate out this could be a reality.” Exactly how often do you think I eat out?
    - fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
      Doesn't matter, like Amazon it doesn't matter that everyone else pays much less than you (market rate) instead you are personally responsible for the lives of anyone you pay for a service. If the amount you are willing to pay doesn't result in a great standard of living then you are at fault.
      - mikeash 7y ago
        Doesn’t matter if your claim is actually correct or not? That’s a hell of an argument. I’m responsible for the tips waiters receive from me. Amazon is responsible for the wages their workers receive from them. Makes sense to me.
        fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
        >Doesn’t matter if your claim is actually correct or not? That’s a hell of an argument. If you eat out once in a lifetime or every day an effective wage can still be calculated. In NY or CA you are talking something like 30 - 50 dollars a meal[0], even more if you want to provide healthcare and all the rest. Its likely you aren't leaving $20 - $50 bills on the table for your morning coffee so why don't you think baristas deserve a living wage? It would be such a small percentage of your net worth. [0]https://www.citylab.com/equity/2017/06/rent-is-affordable-to-low-wage-workers-in-exactly-12-us-counties/529782/ https://www.citylab.com/equity/2017/06/rent-is-affordable-to...
        mikeash 7y ago
        I don’t see what giving myself $50 for making coffee has to do with any of this.
  - dang 7y ago
    Could you please not post in the flamewar style to HN? It leads to degraded discussion, we're trying for a bit better than that, and I'm sure you can make your substantive points without it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dingo_bat 7y ago
  I'm sure you make more than $100k a year. Why don't you use it all to tip your waiters?

I try to tip well. If you think I should tip better, make your case. If I disagree, I’ll make my case. I can guarantee you that if that happens, my argument won’t be that I’m tipping the market rate.

fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
Waitresses make less than minimum wage, don't they deserve healthcare, to raise a family, to live in the center of some of the most expensive real estate in the world and have at least two weeks paid vacation per year? If you were to tip say $50 to $100 each time you ate out this could be a reality. How much would $50 be compared to your net worth, less than 1%? Greedy capitalist.
- mikeash 7y ago
  “If you were to tip say $50 to $100 each time you ate out this could be a reality.” Exactly how often do you think I eat out?
  - fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
    Doesn't matter, like Amazon it doesn't matter that everyone else pays much less than you (market rate) instead you are personally responsible for the lives of anyone you pay for a service. If the amount you are willing to pay doesn't result in a great standard of living then you are at fault.
    - mikeash 7y ago
      Doesn’t matter if your claim is actually correct or not? That’s a hell of an argument. I’m responsible for the tips waiters receive from me. Amazon is responsible for the wages their workers receive from them. Makes sense to me.
      - fuzz4lyfe 7y ago
        >Doesn’t matter if your claim is actually correct or not? That’s a hell of an argument. If you eat out once in a lifetime or every day an effective wage can still be calculated. In NY or CA you are talking something like 30 - 50 dollars a meal[0], even more if you want to provide healthcare and all the rest. Its likely you aren't leaving $20 - $50 bills on the table for your morning coffee so why don't you think baristas deserve a living wage? It would be such a small percentage of your net worth. [0]https://www.citylab.com/equity/2017/06/rent-is-affordable-to-low-wage-workers-in-exactly-12-us-counties/529782/ https://www.citylab.com/equity/2017/06/rent-is-affordable-to...
        mikeash 7y ago
        I don’t see what giving myself $50 for making coffee has to do with any of this.
- dang 7y ago
  Could you please not post in the flamewar style to HN? It leads to degraded discussion, we're trying for a bit better than that, and I'm sure you can make your substantive points without it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dingo_bat 7y ago
I'm sure you make more than $100k a year. Why don't you use it all to tip your waiters?