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>Looking only at the functionality and completely ignoring the design is superficial. Who is completely ignoring the design? My comment was specifically and on

by ergo98 16y ago

>Looking only at the functionality and completely ignoring the design is superficial. Who is completely ignoring the design? My comment was specifically and only about essentially spurious, extraneous chrome -- literally interface bedazzling. It has nothing whatsoever to do with usability, and actually little to do with design. You know I still marvel that Apple is held as the gold standard of design. The iPhones notification system is truly terrible. The messaging system is a god awful sin of design (for the longest time I simply could not believe that the screenshots posted were actually from the esteemed iPhone). Many of the transition effects stink of excess.

alanh 16y ago
I downvoted you for asserting that animations have nothing to do with usability or design, and that they are "nothing more than interface bedazzling." Animations and movement can communicate a lot. They can give a sense of place and aid navigation, especially in "Navigation-based" apps (those with that left-pointing button in the top-left). They can enhance the perceived speed of the software. They can be annoying if abused, and on iOS I do not believe they are. They can lend a touch of consistency and increase the perceived value of the software or entire device. And that's off the top of my head.
- ergo98 16y ago
  I actually said "My comment was specifically and only about essentially spurious, extraneous chrome", which you extrapolated, and got upvotes, for misrepresenting as "animations have nothing to do with usability or design". Kudos on your misdirection.
  - alanh 16y ago
    What “spurious, extraneous chrome” are you referencing, and are you really attempting to claim said chrome has no effect on the user experience?
readymade 16y ago
What do you consider to be particularly egregious examples of this? I know you mentioned the push notification UI, but can you elaborate, or point out some other cases where Apple's design aesthetic "stinks of excess"?
nitrogen 16y ago
Many of the transition effects stink of excess. One person's excess is another's necessity. I haven't spent more than 10 minutes with an iPhone, so I'll comment on what I'm familiar with: Compiz. A lot of hackers call the wobbly windows effect in Compiz a waste of resources for a purely visual effect. Without wobbly windows, however, everything feels stiff to me. My workflow is more fluid with wobbly windows, making me more productive.

by ergo98 16y ago

alanh 16y ago

I downvoted you for asserting that animations have nothing to do with usability or design, and that they are "nothing more than interface bedazzling." Animations and movement can communicate a lot. They can give a sense of place and aid navigation, especially in "Navigation-based" apps (those with that left-pointing button in the top-left). They can enhance the perceived speed of the software. They can be annoying if abused, and on iOS I do not believe they are. They can lend a touch of consistency and increase the perceived value of the software or entire device. And that's off the top of my head.

ergo98 16y ago
I actually said "My comment was specifically and only about essentially spurious, extraneous chrome", which you extrapolated, and got upvotes, for misrepresenting as "animations have nothing to do with usability or design". Kudos on your misdirection.
- alanh 16y ago
  What “spurious, extraneous chrome” are you referencing, and are you really attempting to claim said chrome has no effect on the user experience?

readymade 16y ago

What do you consider to be particularly egregious examples of this? I know you mentioned the push notification UI, but can you elaborate, or point out some other cases where Apple's design aesthetic "stinks of excess"?

nitrogen 16y ago

Many of the transition effects stink of excess. One person's excess is another's necessity. I haven't spent more than 10 minutes with an iPhone, so I'll comment on what I'm familiar with: Compiz. A lot of hackers call the wobbly windows effect in Compiz a waste of resources for a purely visual effect. Without wobbly windows, however, everything feels stiff to me. My workflow is more fluid with wobbly windows, making me more productive.