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Quote on that? Also, there's Wine and ReactOS, no? Aren't those two alternative (even if somewhat incomplete) implementations of Win32?

by hyayz 7y ago

earenndil 7y ago
They do share a lot of code, though; so there's really more like 1.2 alternate implementations of win32.
dleslie 7y ago
See "The Solution", where he argues for Win32 as a truly open standard, as explicitly opposed to UWP and Android, which he considers to be closed. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/04/microsoft-monopolise-pc-games-development-epic-games-gears-of-war https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/04/microsoft...
- icebraining 7y ago
  He never call Win32 an "open standard." He calls it an open platform, or open experience, which he means anyone can build win32 games and distribute them on their own. Using the word "standard", which he never does in that article, is quite misleading.
  - dleslie 7y ago
    I don't think it's worthwhile to split hairs over standard/platform; I've heard Win32 called both, many times, by respectable sources. As it is, he argued that Win32 is more open than UWP or Android; regardless of whether you think the API is a standard or a platform.
    - Faark 7y ago
      His statement is definitively true on the software distribution side. Google wants every App installed via play store and now even Microsoft Office is only available there. Classical Windows on the other hand allows Chrome to be installed without MS acting as gatekeeper. Yes, it's not totally black and white. Android does kinda allow side-loading with shitty usability. MS did start its own store and lets not get into telemetry. Classical windows still gives the user a lot of control, though.
      - dleslie 7y ago
        I would not claim that any of Android, UWP, _or_ Win32 are open.
flyingfences 7y ago
They may be alternative implementations, but they're still no good in this case. See elsewhere in the thread where it's pointed out that Epic's anti-cheat software intentionally fails to run the game if it's running on Wine.
syshum 7y ago
Those are reverse engineer not blessed by Micrsoft's nor it is win32 an open standard Further if the Oracle v Google suit does not get overturned MS could put an end to both Wine and ReactOS in a heartbeat

Quote on that? Also, there's Wine and ReactOS, no? Aren't those two alternative (even if somewhat incomplete) implementations of Win32?

by hyayz 7y ago

Quote on that? Also, there's Wine and ReactOS, no? Aren't those two alternative (even if somewhat incomplete) implementations of Win32?

earenndil 7y ago

They do share a lot of code, though; so there's really more like 1.2 alternate implementations of win32.

dleslie 7y ago

See "The Solution", where he argues for Win32 as a truly open standard, as explicitly opposed to UWP and Android, which he considers to be closed. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/04/microsoft-monopolise-pc-games-development-epic-games-gears-of-war https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/04/microsoft...

icebraining 7y ago
He never call Win32 an "open standard." He calls it an open platform, or open experience, which he means anyone can build win32 games and distribute them on their own. Using the word "standard", which he never does in that article, is quite misleading.
- dleslie 7y ago
  I don't think it's worthwhile to split hairs over standard/platform; I've heard Win32 called both, many times, by respectable sources. As it is, he argued that Win32 is more open than UWP or Android; regardless of whether you think the API is a standard or a platform.
  - Faark 7y ago
    His statement is definitively true on the software distribution side. Google wants every App installed via play store and now even Microsoft Office is only available there. Classical Windows on the other hand allows Chrome to be installed without MS acting as gatekeeper. Yes, it's not totally black and white. Android does kinda allow side-loading with shitty usability. MS did start its own store and lets not get into telemetry. Classical windows still gives the user a lot of control, though.
    - dleslie 7y ago
      I would not claim that any of Android, UWP, _or_ Win32 are open.

flyingfences 7y ago

They may be alternative implementations, but they're still no good in this case. See elsewhere in the thread where it's pointed out that Epic's anti-cheat software intentionally fails to run the game if it's running on Wine.

syshum 7y ago

Those are reverse engineer not blessed by Micrsoft's nor it is win32 an open standard Further if the Oracle v Google suit does not get overturned MS could put an end to both Wine and ReactOS in a heartbeat