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Is there a lower-status job that pays as well as software development? I guess maybe some very experienced skilled tradespeople, but even those folks are probab

by asark 7y ago

Is there a lower-status job that pays as well as software development? I guess maybe some very experienced skilled tradespeople, but even those folks are probably pretty high-status when around others in their business. Software dev is weird. Mostly sneered at or patronized by those up the hierarchy, yet paid really well. Not especially well-regarded outside business hierarchies considering how high the comp is, in no small part due to its acquisition, deserved or not, of a reputation for being a He-Man Woman Haters' club, and also, you know, for being generally nerdy (which was entirely the historical reason for its being low on the social status ladder, until relatively recently).

JohnFen 7y ago
> Is there a lower-status job that pays as well as software development? Garbage collectors fit this description in every city I've lived in.
- TulliusCicero 7y ago
  Where do you live that garbage collectors make as much as programmers?
  - pjc50 7y ago
    This is a Lisp joke, isn't it.
  - seisvelas 7y ago
    Not OP, but I checked for Austin, Texas, and a part time entry level position is 20$ an hour. https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Waste%20Collector&l=Austin%2C%20TX&vjk=cd6dfb52c05b624a https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Waste%20Collector&l=Austin%2C%... That was one of the first results, but it seems like the average is generally lower, around $15 an hour. My first tech job was as a Linux sysadmin in a web hosting company in Houston circa 2011, which paid 17 an hour. This was with no formal education or experience (I'd played around with Linux at home and wanted to work with it professionally). So I'd say the claim that garbage collectors make the same as programmers appears to be generally untrue.
morty_s 7y ago
Yeah, there is. In the oil industry (actually many jobs in the industry) there’s a job where you need only add and subtract, work odd hours, put yourself in no greater danger than delivering pizza except that you’ll pull $280k/year if you’re lazy and $320k+ if you’re trying hard.
blub 7y ago
"of a reputation for being a He-Man Woman Haters' club" This is wrong and revisionist to boot. You're projecting your own biases or poor experiences on an entire industry. Management looks down on programmers because they are not management. When one has real power and status it's easy to look down on others.
- asark 7y ago
  Meant outside of management. Status among the general public. That's become one of the three main things associated with software development, from what I've seen, alongside "nerdy" and "kinda makes a lot of money, maybe".

by asark 7y ago

JohnFen 7y ago

> Is there a lower-status job that pays as well as software development? Garbage collectors fit this description in every city I've lived in.

TulliusCicero 7y ago
Where do you live that garbage collectors make as much as programmers?
- pjc50 7y ago
  This is a Lisp joke, isn't it.
- seisvelas 7y ago
  Not OP, but I checked for Austin, Texas, and a part time entry level position is 20$ an hour. https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Waste%20Collector&l=Austin%2C%20TX&vjk=cd6dfb52c05b624a https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Waste%20Collector&l=Austin%2C%... That was one of the first results, but it seems like the average is generally lower, around $15 an hour. My first tech job was as a Linux sysadmin in a web hosting company in Houston circa 2011, which paid 17 an hour. This was with no formal education or experience (I'd played around with Linux at home and wanted to work with it professionally). So I'd say the claim that garbage collectors make the same as programmers appears to be generally untrue.

morty_s 7y ago

Yeah, there is. In the oil industry (actually many jobs in the industry) there’s a job where you need only add and subtract, work odd hours, put yourself in no greater danger than delivering pizza except that you’ll pull $280k/year if you’re lazy and $320k+ if you’re trying hard.

blub 7y ago

"of a reputation for being a He-Man Woman Haters' club" This is wrong and revisionist to boot. You're projecting your own biases or poor experiences on an entire industry. Management looks down on programmers because they are not management. When one has real power and status it's easy to look down on others.

asark 7y ago
Meant outside of management. Status among the general public. That's become one of the three main things associated with software development, from what I've seen, alongside "nerdy" and "kinda makes a lot of money, maybe".