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Tulsa Teacher discovers calculus flaw
- DangBigot 7y agoRealizing that mathematical notional is inconsistent and contextual, and potentially confusing if inappropriately generalized, is a common frustrating learning experience, and it's nice to consider alternatives. But it is not a "calculus flaw". Also, the sidebars beside this article are filled with unrelated low-quality political clickbait, so perhaps we shouldn't give this site more traffic.
- commandlinefan 7y agoI was definitely hoping for a lot more based on the title. I'm also not sure I agree with the phrasing that he "discovered" an alternative notation. Invented, maybe, but not discovered.
- csours 7y agoThat's one of the fundamental questions of mathematics. Are you discovering or inventing?
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- rcthompson 7y agoIt may not be a literal calculus flaw, but at the very least it's a part of calculus that's held together with duct tape and chewing gum that people are warned to stay away from.
- dang 7y agoSorry, but the rule against trollish usernames applies even to moderators: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20trollish%20username https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme.... This sort of thing is always better to nip in the bud rather than let fester, so I've banned this account. If you don't want it to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com with an alternate username and we'll be happy to swap it for you.
- tathougies 7y agoIf you're attempting to manipulate the infinitesimals in a derivative notation, it's your understanding of calculus that's flawed, not calculus.
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- epicwhaleburger 7y agoI do understand where the confusion is stemming from, but taking the time to properly learn the clash between Leibniz and Lagrange is very important. It makes a lot of sense to use one versus the other in specific cases. You might be able to protest by saying there are certain cases where the differential operator is treated like a fraction, but not only would I call this a rarity but also a cheat to what is really happening (the chain rule comes to mind). I do think it's cool to think of analogies that could include notation changes for students in early calculus classes though.
- burfog 7y agoFixing the notation would be great, saving numerous future generations from confusion. Getting agreement to do this is difficult. Short of laying it down in the law as part of a treaty (throw it in with WTO or Berne copyright?) there doesn't seem to be a way to make the change happen. Nobody wants to buy the calculus book with weird non-standard notation. It would be like a trigonometry book with the symbols Feynman invented in high school. We're more likely to get serious mathematicians calling equations "math sentences".
- tathougies 7y agoI am in favor of notational changes, but calling this a 'flaw' is simply wrong, and the teacher profiled should correct the journal allowing his idea to be misrepresented.
- lyctc 7y ago"Extending the Algebraic Manipulability of Differentials" https://arxiv.org/pdf/1801.09553.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1801.09553.pdf
- al2o3cr 7y agoWhen writing a ratio that works like a ratio is too cumbersome, we prefer simply avoiding the ratio notation altogether, to prevent making unwarranted leaps based on notation that may mislead the intuition. Yeah, would definitely be a shame if somebody misunderstood some notation and leapt into writing a paper about it.
- gmiller123456 7y agoUnfortunately the article is kind of idiotic, the actual paper [1] has nothing to do with discovering a newly discovered flaw. As the paper's author even says, many students find the same "flaw" themselves. [1] http://online.watsci.org/abstract_pdf/2019v26/v26n3a-pdf/4.pdf http://online.watsci.org/abstract_pdf/2019v26/v26n3a-pdf/4.p...
- XaspR8d 7y agoJoke's on you -- the article helped me find a flaw in the theory of journalism! (Paper is much better yes. I always had trouble with that notation.)
- dvt 7y agoThe article is dumb, but the paper is actually pretty interesting. Intuitively, I never treated differentials as "algebraic units" -- even though I can see why it might be tempting to do so. In other words, I never thought that dx^2/dy^2 = (dx/dy)^2. From my experience, most teachers and professors do hint that "something funky" is happening when you say "dBLAH." Further, (and more to the root of the problem), as far as higher-order derivatives are concerned, I always held a firm belief that something like "d^nx" was not really a manipulatable statement and was just shorthand for "the nth derivative" and certainly not the "first derivative raised to the nth power."
- a1369209993 7y agoThe main point seems to be that: / d\² d² D²ₓ = |−−| ≠ −−− \dx/ dx² because (1/dx)*d*(1/dx)*d ≠ (1/dx)*(1/dx)*d*d or just d*(1/dx) ≠ (1/dx)*d In other words, the "algebraic units" are fine, but multiplication on them is noncommutative.[0] 0: Like multiplication on damn near everything else that isn't really a number.
- kadendogthing 7y agoHere's an exercise for the reader: * Why is this coming from "tulsatoday" * Why is the article written in a particular manner? * What biases and agenda is the publication attempting to platform here?
- lidHanteyk 7y agoThe paper is interesting. I think that dual numbers provide a better basis for algebraic manipulations of expressions with derivatives.