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As a person who came to America legally, as an Immigrant, I seriously do not want this. How is this at all fair to those of us who had to work so hard and wait

As a person who came to America legally, as an Immigrant, I seriously do not want this. How is this at all fair to those of us who had to work so hard and wait so long to get in?

danharaj 7y ago
> How is this at all fair to those of us who had to work so hard and wait so long to get in? How is it unfair?
- anchpop 7y ago
  It reminds me of hazing rituals at fraternities - you can't get rid of this bad thing, how would that be fair to us who had to go through it?
- pathseeker 7y ago
  Being in the country and using its services isn't free. It's unfair because low (or no) income immigrants are a burden on everyone in the country. The unfairness is that the bar for participation is being significantly lowered to the point where it risks the social safety nets for everyone. It's unfair to both native citizens and naturalized ones.
  - joshypants 7y ago
    Instead of punching down on the literally the most vulnerable people in our society, why don't you direct energy at all the wealth being accumulated at the top? That situation is much more harmful for our social safety net.
mooon 7y ago
My family came here legally as immigrants as well. We just showed up at points in time where the only requirement was that you not have TB. I understand that things were hard for you, and therefore you want them to be hard for everyone else. But I hope you can eventually see that your view is one based on jealousy, envy, and hatred; and that it is not based on any sort of sense.
CodeMage 7y ago
I also came to America legally, and that was the second time I legally emigrated from one country to another. As an "experienced immigrant", I've lost count of how many times I've come upon the astonishingly selfish attitude your comment espouses. Make no mistake, I'm also against completely open borders without deportation, for a variety of reasons. "Fuck you, got mine" is not one of those reasons.
joshypants 7y ago
Seeking asylum in America IS legal. What's happened with the Trump admin is they've essentially made traditional routes for seeking asylum nonviable, so people cross the border, and if they get apprehended then instead of being released and assigned a court date like they used to, they're being held indefinitely in concentration camps.

As a person who came to America legally, as an Immigrant, I seriously do not want this. How is this at all fair to those of us who had to work so hard and wait so long to get in?

danharaj 7y ago

> How is this at all fair to those of us who had to work so hard and wait so long to get in? How is it unfair?

anchpop 7y ago
It reminds me of hazing rituals at fraternities - you can't get rid of this bad thing, how would that be fair to us who had to go through it?
pathseeker 7y ago
Being in the country and using its services isn't free. It's unfair because low (or no) income immigrants are a burden on everyone in the country. The unfairness is that the bar for participation is being significantly lowered to the point where it risks the social safety nets for everyone. It's unfair to both native citizens and naturalized ones.
- joshypants 7y ago
  Instead of punching down on the literally the most vulnerable people in our society, why don't you direct energy at all the wealth being accumulated at the top? That situation is much more harmful for our social safety net.

mooon 7y ago

My family came here legally as immigrants as well. We just showed up at points in time where the only requirement was that you not have TB. I understand that things were hard for you, and therefore you want them to be hard for everyone else. But I hope you can eventually see that your view is one based on jealousy, envy, and hatred; and that it is not based on any sort of sense.

CodeMage 7y ago

I also came to America legally, and that was the second time I legally emigrated from one country to another. As an "experienced immigrant", I've lost count of how many times I've come upon the astonishingly selfish attitude your comment espouses. Make no mistake, I'm also against completely open borders without deportation, for a variety of reasons. "Fuck you, got mine" is not one of those reasons.

joshypants 7y ago

Seeking asylum in America IS legal. What's happened with the Trump admin is they've essentially made traditional routes for seeking asylum nonviable, so people cross the border, and if they get apprehended then instead of being released and assigned a court date like they used to, they're being held indefinitely in concentration camps.