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Wow, no, it does not. You're just making things up?

by phil248 7y ago

brokenkebab 7y ago
I think showing your knowledge would be better then this ad hominem.
- phil248 7y ago
  It's pretty https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-fatality/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-... well http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/statistics-most-lethal-methods http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/statistics-most-letha... documented https://jech.bmj.com/content/57/2/120 https://jech.bmj.com/content/57/2/120 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18245314 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18245314 I'm not sure why you get to declare a lie as a fact without evidence, and I'm the one who has to provide links to call that out?
  - brokenkebab 7y ago
    No one of these links (at least in abstracts/conclusions) makes distinction between real suicide, and parasuicide e.g. a suicide attempt having being stopped/saved, or infliction of non-deadly self-harm as the main goal. One can't make a parasuicide attempt sending a bullet to one's head (although some people imitate jamming, or expect gun to be taken from their hands - but such incidents rarely registered in statistics), so gun is naturally an unusual choice for a parasuicidal person which easily explains e.g. that 7% difference in the last link. People serious about ending their lives with hanging take precautions against possibility of being discovered at the moment of the action, and suffocation is deadly (need a link to prove this?) There are cases when hanged can recover after significant time, but they are notably rare. And people serious about ending their lives usually follow culturally "normal", or easiest ways to commit suicide [1]. Which brings us to the beginning of the discussion: removing a tool of suicide doesn't affect number of deaths which is proved by absence of correlation between availability of guns, and suicide rates. [1] Source: I was trained when volunteered in suicide prevention program.

Wow, no, it does not. You're just making things up?

brokenkebab 7y ago

I think showing your knowledge would be better then this ad hominem.

phil248 7y ago
It's pretty https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-fatality/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-... well http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/statistics-most-lethal-methods http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/statistics-most-letha... documented https://jech.bmj.com/content/57/2/120 https://jech.bmj.com/content/57/2/120 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18245314 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18245314 I'm not sure why you get to declare a lie as a fact without evidence, and I'm the one who has to provide links to call that out?
- brokenkebab 7y ago
  No one of these links (at least in abstracts/conclusions) makes distinction between real suicide, and parasuicide e.g. a suicide attempt having being stopped/saved, or infliction of non-deadly self-harm as the main goal. One can't make a parasuicide attempt sending a bullet to one's head (although some people imitate jamming, or expect gun to be taken from their hands - but such incidents rarely registered in statistics), so gun is naturally an unusual choice for a parasuicidal person which easily explains e.g. that 7% difference in the last link. People serious about ending their lives with hanging take precautions against possibility of being discovered at the moment of the action, and suffocation is deadly (need a link to prove this?) There are cases when hanged can recover after significant time, but they are notably rare. And people serious about ending their lives usually follow culturally "normal", or easiest ways to commit suicide [1]. Which brings us to the beginning of the discussion: removing a tool of suicide doesn't affect number of deaths which is proved by absence of correlation between availability of guns, and suicide rates. [1] Source: I was trained when volunteered in suicide prevention program.