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I would think efforts like this are less about completeness and more about creating a media event around the fact that ICE uses AWS to do harm to people.
by joshypants 7y ago
I would think efforts like this are less about completeness and more about creating a media event around the fact that ICE uses AWS to do harm to people.
- jamiequint 7y agoICE uses AWS to help take into custody people who have deportation orders. Can anyone explain why this is even remotely controversial? What is the alternative, open borders? no deportation ever?
- zaphod4prez 7y agoThe idea behind these actions is to pressure ICE into abiding by international human rights laws in its handling of detained immigrant children. To me, that seems like a very reasonable thing-to-care-about.
- TeMPOraL 7y agoBy going after the supply chain instead of the actual offenders? That does smell a bit armchair-activisty, to be honest.
- roboys 7y agoBoycotting IBM may have saved lives at Nazi concentration camps if it was attempted... (IBM assisted Nazis in processing big data (of their time) during most of WW2)
- TeMPOraL 7y agoBut would it? When the war started, IBM was already established in Germany, and upon the US placing trade ban, the German branch essentially split out and worked independently, to be reintegrated into the mothership after the hostilities have ceased.
- joshypants 7y agoYeah let's get into the weeds on this WWII stuff when there are currently concentration camps in the USA where people are being tortured and dying. Out of here with this.
- jstanley 7y agoOpen borders, and no deportation ever, is a perfectly viable alternative.
- isoskeles 7y agoAbout half the country disagrees with you. I guess that means we should do it to poke them in the eye.
- jamiequint 7y agoHow exactly will entitlements be funded in that scenario?
- googlemike 7y agoAs a person who came to America legally, as an Immigrant, I seriously do not want this. How is this at all fair to those of us who had to work so hard and wait so long to get in?
- danharaj 7y ago> How is this at all fair to those of us who had to work so hard and wait so long to get in? How is it unfair?
- anchpop 7y agoIt reminds me of hazing rituals at fraternities - you can't get rid of this bad thing, how would that be fair to us who had to go through it?
- pathseeker 7y agoBeing in the country and using its services isn't free. It's unfair because low (or no) income immigrants are a burden on everyone in the country. The unfairness is that the bar for participation is being significantly lowered to the point where it risks the social safety nets for everyone. It's unfair to both native citizens and naturalized ones.
- mmsimanga 7y agoI have read all the comments below yours and as an immigrant in an Africa country I wonder why no one says anything about why we want to be immigrants in the first place. I have noticed this debate tends to be about Europe, US and Australia and it seems the world has given up on holding dictators to task. I know it is hard but surely as mostly IT people on HN we know you have to fix the root cause. For the record I think it is healthy to have both pro immigrant and also listen to concerns of those against immigrants.
- x3ro 7y agoWhy do people always make the"legality" argument. Just because something is legal, doesn't mean something is right. The Holocaust was quite legal, at the time. Putting people in concentration camps and letting them die there (ICE) should not be legal. This does not even touch on whether deportations should be.
- jamiequint 7y agoCongress has put ICE and CBP in a pretty impossible situation, they have refused to extend funding for months (since February at least) to fund further border enforcement to stop illegal border crossings, while simultaneously refusing to pass any legislation to further fund the detention centers. Your implication that they must stop patrolling the border lest they become literally Hitler, is patently absurd and an affront to people who suffered through the Holocaust.
- x3ro 7y agoI merely said that legality does not imply that no human rights violations are occurring. Also I'm talking about deportations (and the associated camps, whatever you want to call them) is a separate issue from border control, in my opinion.
- joshypants 7y agoYes, can anyone explain why concentration camps are even remotely controversial?
- dang 7y agoWould you please stop posting in the flamewar style and please not use HN for ideological battle? Those things are destructive of what we're trying to do in this community, and your comments have been noticeably more inflammatory than the others I've seen in this thread. You've also done it recently elsewhere. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the spirit of this site to heart when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
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