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Same here. If this happens, and my company is forcing me to business travel, I'm refusing to travel unless I'm put on an Airbus.

freeopinion 7y ago
What fascinating language. "I'm using all my leverage to refuse" doesn't me "I refuse". I wonder how many Boeing engineers used all their leverage to refuse to compromise safety.
- AznHisoka 7y ago
  Edited. I wanted to emphasize the refuse, but I guess my language portrayed weakness.
argd678 7y ago
What company makes it hard to pick your flight that you’d need to resort to leverage?
- toyg 7y ago
  Some (large) companies have automated processes where you’re forced to book travel arrangements through intranet portals with a limited choice of suppliers.
- Kiro 7y ago
  What mid-size and above company lets you book your own flights at all?
  - txcwpalpha 7y ago
    I've worked for and know many people that work for very large (F500ish) companies, as well as the large consulting companies (Deloitte, Pwc, Accenture, etc), and booking your own flights/hotel is standard practice at all of the consulting companies and most of the others.
  - lawnchair_larry 7y ago
    What company doesn’t? Who books them otherwise?
    - gumby 7y ago
      Corporate travel department that enforces the travel policies.
      - lawnchair_larry 7y ago
        Interesting. I’ve never heard of a corporate department that books your travel. Sounds like a hassle. Any company I’ve been at, big or small, just has their policy parameters enforced by third party booking tools.
PaulHoule 7y ago
Fly jetblue. JetBlue is Airbus only.
- btgeekboy 7y ago
  It’s funny how quick we forget things like the totally insane control scheme that brought down the AirFrance Airbus.
  - soapdog 7y ago
    But the Airbuses were not grounded right? It is a different thing when they end up grounding all planes of a given model...
    - txcwpalpha 7y ago
      The very first passenger flight of the A320 was said to have been brought down by a software issue* and was effectively grounded by its launch being delayed. It isn't exactly the same situation, but its close enough to draw some parallels. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_296 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_296 * - official reports blamed the pilot, but the pilot blamed the new software in the plane. Airbus was also accused of tampering with evidence to blame the pilot. These are also some parallels to Boeing's involvement in the initial MAX crash...
      - justsid 7y ago
        It should be noted that for the Air Show, the Airbus had most of it’s software safety features disabled and on top of that, the pilots flying the plane actually didn’t know the airport they were performing at. The latter is a major red flag. In the end, software didn’t bring down that flight (as in, the software didn’t pitch the plane down into the ground). Disabled safety features stopped the plane from correcting a situation it would normally be protecting pilots from. And the pilots where unaware of any obstructions past the runway. Coupled with long spool up times for jet engine (any jet engine, I might add), and that flight was basically doomed once it was over the runway. Mind you, I’m not trying to put the blame on anyone here, but to compare that crash with the recent MAX crashes is just not right. More comparable would be something like Qantas Flight 72, where the autopilot did in fact result in an uncommanded pitch down. Although the pilots recovered from that situation and the plane landed safely.

freeopinion 7y ago

What fascinating language. "I'm using all my leverage to refuse" doesn't me "I refuse". I wonder how many Boeing engineers used all their leverage to refuse to compromise safety.

AznHisoka 7y ago
Edited. I wanted to emphasize the refuse, but I guess my language portrayed weakness.

argd678 7y ago

What company makes it hard to pick your flight that you’d need to resort to leverage?

toyg 7y ago
Some (large) companies have automated processes where you’re forced to book travel arrangements through intranet portals with a limited choice of suppliers.
Kiro 7y ago
What mid-size and above company lets you book your own flights at all?
- txcwpalpha 7y ago
  I've worked for and know many people that work for very large (F500ish) companies, as well as the large consulting companies (Deloitte, Pwc, Accenture, etc), and booking your own flights/hotel is standard practice at all of the consulting companies and most of the others.
- lawnchair_larry 7y ago
  What company doesn’t? Who books them otherwise?
  - gumby 7y ago
    Corporate travel department that enforces the travel policies.
    - lawnchair_larry 7y ago
      Interesting. I’ve never heard of a corporate department that books your travel. Sounds like a hassle. Any company I’ve been at, big or small, just has their policy parameters enforced by third party booking tools.

PaulHoule 7y ago

Fly jetblue. JetBlue is Airbus only.

btgeekboy 7y ago
It’s funny how quick we forget things like the totally insane control scheme that brought down the AirFrance Airbus.
- soapdog 7y ago
  But the Airbuses were not grounded right? It is a different thing when they end up grounding all planes of a given model...
  - txcwpalpha 7y ago
    The very first passenger flight of the A320 was said to have been brought down by a software issue* and was effectively grounded by its launch being delayed. It isn't exactly the same situation, but its close enough to draw some parallels. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_296 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_296 * - official reports blamed the pilot, but the pilot blamed the new software in the plane. Airbus was also accused of tampering with evidence to blame the pilot. These are also some parallels to Boeing's involvement in the initial MAX crash...
    - justsid 7y ago
      It should be noted that for the Air Show, the Airbus had most of it’s software safety features disabled and on top of that, the pilots flying the plane actually didn’t know the airport they were performing at. The latter is a major red flag. In the end, software didn’t bring down that flight (as in, the software didn’t pitch the plane down into the ground). Disabled safety features stopped the plane from correcting a situation it would normally be protecting pilots from. And the pilots where unaware of any obstructions past the runway. Coupled with long spool up times for jet engine (any jet engine, I might add), and that flight was basically doomed once it was over the runway. Mind you, I’m not trying to put the blame on anyone here, but to compare that crash with the recent MAX crashes is just not right. More comparable would be something like Qantas Flight 72, where the autopilot did in fact result in an uncommanded pitch down. Although the pilots recovered from that situation and the plane landed safely.