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This. And I'm starting to be afraid of ANY Boeing. This company is dead.

dehrmann 7y ago
Really? I was in a 777 yesterday and felt like I was flying in a well-tested, mostly modern plane built with well-understood technologies. That, and I realized 737s (not Max, obviously) have loud interiors.
- ken 7y ago
  > felt like I was flying in a well-tested, mostly modern plane built with well-understood technologies Given how much of its functionality is embedded in electronics and software, how can you know? Would a passenger be able to recognize if it suffered from the same flaws as the 737 MAX?
  - NullPrefix 7y ago
    > Given how much of its functionality is embedded in electronics and software, how can you know? Marketing, mostly.
  - PaulHoule 7y ago
    The 777 has a great long-term record. The 737 MAX started falling out of the sky right away.
    - throwaway5752 7y ago
      I generally hate being pedantic, but to really be accurate they started flying themselves into the ground rather than falling out of the sky. I have thought a lot about this for personal reasons, and I increasingly think the biggest failing is not grounding the fleet after the Lion Air crash. The Ethiopia Air should never have happened in any company that prioritized safety and risk appropriately.
- amyjess 7y ago
  From what I understand, Boeing became toxic when they bought McDonnell-Douglas and absorbed their company culture of "Safety? Quality control? What are those?". The 737 MAX and the 787 Dreamliner were both designed after the acquisition and are full of issues. The 777 predates that, so it's fine.
retSava 7y ago
> This company is dead. Doubt it. For you perhaps, but the short memory of the general public, rebranding, and Boeing rebates (probably some generous amounts of heavy wine'n'dine), mean they will definitively show up at an airport near you.
- djsumdog 7y ago
  The 737 survived one serious design flaw decades ago (the stuck rudder issue). People will forget about this as well.
  - retSava 7y ago
    Wasn't there something with an overheating or leaking fuel tank too?
  - addicted 7y ago
    The argument is that the issue with Boeing isn’t that they had a flaw with the 737 Max, but that their entire culture has moved away from a safety focused engineering one. If that is indeed the case, it’s unlikely the 737 Max’s flaw is the last one (in fact, we know it isn’t, and that the FAA discovered something else, which is why it was sent back to Boeing).

Really? I was in a 777 yesterday and felt like I was flying in a well-tested, mostly modern plane built with well-understood technologies. That, and I realized 737s (not Max, obviously) have loud interiors.

ken 7y ago
> felt like I was flying in a well-tested, mostly modern plane built with well-understood technologies Given how much of its functionality is embedded in electronics and software, how can you know? Would a passenger be able to recognize if it suffered from the same flaws as the 737 MAX?
- NullPrefix 7y ago
  > Given how much of its functionality is embedded in electronics and software, how can you know? Marketing, mostly.
- PaulHoule 7y ago
  The 777 has a great long-term record. The 737 MAX started falling out of the sky right away.
  - throwaway5752 7y ago
    I generally hate being pedantic, but to really be accurate they started flying themselves into the ground rather than falling out of the sky. I have thought a lot about this for personal reasons, and I increasingly think the biggest failing is not grounding the fleet after the Lion Air crash. The Ethiopia Air should never have happened in any company that prioritized safety and risk appropriately.
amyjess 7y ago
From what I understand, Boeing became toxic when they bought McDonnell-Douglas and absorbed their company culture of "Safety? Quality control? What are those?". The 737 MAX and the 787 Dreamliner were both designed after the acquisition and are full of issues. The 777 predates that, so it's fine.

retSava 7y ago

> This company is dead. Doubt it. For you perhaps, but the short memory of the general public, rebranding, and Boeing rebates (probably some generous amounts of heavy wine'n'dine), mean they will definitively show up at an airport near you.

djsumdog 7y ago
The 737 survived one serious design flaw decades ago (the stuck rudder issue). People will forget about this as well.
- retSava 7y ago
  Wasn't there something with an overheating or leaking fuel tank too?
- addicted 7y ago
  The argument is that the issue with Boeing isn’t that they had a flaw with the 737 Max, but that their entire culture has moved away from a safety focused engineering one. If that is indeed the case, it’s unlikely the 737 Max’s flaw is the last one (in fact, we know it isn’t, and that the FAA discovered something else, which is why it was sent back to Boeing).