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The comments he made are not just questionable, they're outright wrong (and a great example of the problem with cherry-picking data): https://www.vox.com/2016/

The comments he made are not just questionable, they're outright wrong (and a great example of the problem with cherry-picking data): https://www.vox.com/2016/6/10/11903028/hillary-clinton-google-debunked https://www.vox.com/2016/6/10/11903028/hillary-clinton-googl... https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/jun/23/andrew-napolitano/did-google-adjust-its-autocomplete-algorithm-hide-/ https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/jun/23... (Disclosure: I work at Google, but this opinion is my own)

drevil-v2 7y ago
Speaking of cherry picking, I wouldn't use vox as reliable source for bipartisan data.
- fjp 7y ago
  Or politifact...
  - EdSharkey 7y ago
    tomweingarten can't see past the tip of his ideological nose. It's gonna be such a shocker to him when his megacorp gets shattered into a million little pieces.
  - swebs 7y ago
    https://www.politifactbias.com/ https://www.politifactbias.com/
  - knowaveragejoe 7y ago
    I've seen plenty of politifact and snopes fact-checks that go against the conspiracies that you guys seem to think are underway in those types of organizations.
- _jal 7y ago
  Do you have an example of Vox being dishonest?
  - swebs 7y ago
    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/vox/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/vox/
    - sanderjd 7y ago
      I'm not sure this answers the question. Clearly Vox has a progressive (maybe originally neo-liberal?) editorial bias, but that may or may not mean that they have dishonestly distorted facts. There is a big difference between editorial bias and dishonest reporting!
    - Symmetry 7y ago
      >Overall, we rate Vox Left Biased due to wording and story selection that favors the left and High for factual reporting based on only one failed fact check and appropriately issuing a correction to a second. (5/15/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 5/30/2019)
- nova22033 7y ago
  speaking of cherry picking, I wouldn't use autocomplete suggestions as a source for bias. Has anyone on this thread claimed bias in the search results?
ar-jan 7y ago
Google's claim that the algorithm is generic is demonstrably false. Type in "hillary clinton e" and there is no suggestion for "email", type "donald trump e" and email is the first suggestion. Given the news content that we know is out there, that can only be the result of adjusting the results for clinton specifically (if anything, we would not expect "email" to be autocompleted for trump). This is not research that tells us what exactly Google is doing, but you cannot deny the example.
- ghostpepper 7y ago
  This is not the most scientific test, since previous searches are generally taken into account. Was this test conducted from a system that mostly searches for / clicks on pro-trump or anti-trump content?
  - ar-jan 7y ago
    Well, that's kind of the point: it's not scientific, but it's relevant. I believe this was also the example that was recently used in a Project Veritas video, with the same results. I searched from a Firefox private window over a VPN from the Netherlands. But since the results are the same (regarding presence/absence of "email" as an autocomplete term) I don't think it matters much.
- root_axis 7y ago
  This is not "research" period. Using one arbitrary search comparison to draw conclusions about the nature of a system that processes billions of queries a day is pretty weak. Additionally, I don't get the same results you do. "hillary clinton e" does not bring up emails, nor does "donald trump e" bring up emails (the first results I see are election, education, england visit, ex wife). I'm not ruling out the possibility that google actually is manipulating search results, but this is not proof of that.
  - bodono 7y ago
    Try "hillary clinton emai". From a fresh chrome session in NYC I get nothing, not a single autocomplete result. On the other hand "donald trump emai" gets: * donald trump email * donald trump email address * donald trump email list * donald trump email newsletter * donald trump email list signup And just to drive the point home I tried "root_axis emai" and got "root_axis email". Try anyone else and you get similar results, 'barack obama emai', 'george bush emai', etc etc. So yes, this is proof that the results are scrubbed for Clinton email.
arm64future 7y ago
do an image search for "european people art" what's up with that
ulucs 7y ago
Here is the trend data where google autocompletes two results while not autocompleting other two. The trend data groups the results pretty clearly, however the autocomplete engine does not agree. If the trend data is not being used for the autocomplete results, what is? And why? https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=hillary%20clinton%20email,donald%20trump%20email,hillary%20clinton%20toilet%20paper,brad%20pitt%20email https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=hillary%20...

drevil-v2 7y ago

Speaking of cherry picking, I wouldn't use vox as reliable source for bipartisan data.

fjp 7y ago
Or politifact...
- EdSharkey 7y ago
  tomweingarten can't see past the tip of his ideological nose. It's gonna be such a shocker to him when his megacorp gets shattered into a million little pieces.
- swebs 7y ago
  https://www.politifactbias.com/ https://www.politifactbias.com/
- knowaveragejoe 7y ago
  I've seen plenty of politifact and snopes fact-checks that go against the conspiracies that you guys seem to think are underway in those types of organizations.
_jal 7y ago
Do you have an example of Vox being dishonest?
- swebs 7y ago
  https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/vox/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/vox/
  - sanderjd 7y ago
    I'm not sure this answers the question. Clearly Vox has a progressive (maybe originally neo-liberal?) editorial bias, but that may or may not mean that they have dishonestly distorted facts. There is a big difference between editorial bias and dishonest reporting!
  - Symmetry 7y ago
    >Overall, we rate Vox Left Biased due to wording and story selection that favors the left and High for factual reporting based on only one failed fact check and appropriately issuing a correction to a second. (5/15/2016) Updated (M. Huitsing 5/30/2019)
nova22033 7y ago
speaking of cherry picking, I wouldn't use autocomplete suggestions as a source for bias. Has anyone on this thread claimed bias in the search results?

ar-jan 7y ago

Google's claim that the algorithm is generic is demonstrably false. Type in "hillary clinton e" and there is no suggestion for "email", type "donald trump e" and email is the first suggestion. Given the news content that we know is out there, that can only be the result of adjusting the results for clinton specifically (if anything, we would not expect "email" to be autocompleted for trump). This is not research that tells us what exactly Google is doing, but you cannot deny the example.

ghostpepper 7y ago
This is not the most scientific test, since previous searches are generally taken into account. Was this test conducted from a system that mostly searches for / clicks on pro-trump or anti-trump content?
- ar-jan 7y ago
  Well, that's kind of the point: it's not scientific, but it's relevant. I believe this was also the example that was recently used in a Project Veritas video, with the same results. I searched from a Firefox private window over a VPN from the Netherlands. But since the results are the same (regarding presence/absence of "email" as an autocomplete term) I don't think it matters much.
root_axis 7y ago
This is not "research" period. Using one arbitrary search comparison to draw conclusions about the nature of a system that processes billions of queries a day is pretty weak. Additionally, I don't get the same results you do. "hillary clinton e" does not bring up emails, nor does "donald trump e" bring up emails (the first results I see are election, education, england visit, ex wife). I'm not ruling out the possibility that google actually is manipulating search results, but this is not proof of that.
- bodono 7y ago
  Try "hillary clinton emai". From a fresh chrome session in NYC I get nothing, not a single autocomplete result. On the other hand "donald trump emai" gets: * donald trump email * donald trump email address * donald trump email list * donald trump email newsletter * donald trump email list signup And just to drive the point home I tried "root_axis emai" and got "root_axis email". Try anyone else and you get similar results, 'barack obama emai', 'george bush emai', etc etc. So yes, this is proof that the results are scrubbed for Clinton email.

arm64future 7y ago

do an image search for "european people art" what's up with that

ulucs 7y ago

Here is the trend data where google autocompletes two results while not autocompleting other two. The trend data groups the results pretty clearly, however the autocomplete engine does not agree. If the trend data is not being used for the autocomplete results, what is? And why? https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=hillary%20clinton%20email,donald%20trump%20email,hillary%20clinton%20toilet%20paper,brad%20pitt%20email https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=hillary%20...