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AJ Muste: “The problem after a war is with the victor. He thinks he has just proved that war and violence pay. Who will now teach him a lesson?” Source: https

AJ Muste: “The problem after a war is with the victor. He thinks he has just proved that war and violence pay. Who will now teach him a lesson?” Source: https://chomsky.info/196709__/ https://chomsky.info/196709__/

whatshisface 7y ago
That quote doesn't really apply in Vietnam, where both sides had such heavy losses that nobody would ever want to repeat it again.
- CPLX 7y ago
  > nobody would ever want to repeat it again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations#1980–1989 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_mili...
- renox 7y ago
  The loss are highly unevenly distributed.. Weapon sellers, equipment providers makes a lot of money during wars..
  - blaser-waffle 7y ago
    Bingo. That uneven distribution is why them Yankees seem to be fine with all these wars. The World Wars brought violence directly to the Asians and Europeans, devastating Europe from London to Moscow, and all over Asia. Rich and poor got it, good and hard, in their on backyards. Vietnam devastated... Vietnam. It was an economic blackhole for the US -- ditto for Iraq and Afghanistan -- but the average American is driving larger, nicer cars then ever, while living in comfy McMansions. Northern Virginia and Southern Maryland (Washington DC suburbs) are wealthier than ever -- all Top 10 richest counties in the US. They don't feel this pain, and probably never will, save for the small handful of volunteers shipped to Iraq/Afgan/etc.
    - deogeo 7y ago
      I think it's highly dubious to suggest that the average American is better off due to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is as the post you replied to said - the weapons sellers make money, while the rest of Americans pay them through taxes.
- Synaesthesia 7y ago
  The losses in human like were over 3 million for Vietnam and SE Asia, and 58000 for the US. That’s a discrepancy of like 50x. Also Vietnam was destroyed and ruined whereas the US was untouched.

whatshisface 7y ago

That quote doesn't really apply in Vietnam, where both sides had such heavy losses that nobody would ever want to repeat it again.

CPLX 7y ago
> nobody would ever want to repeat it again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations#1980–1989 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_mili...
renox 7y ago
The loss are highly unevenly distributed.. Weapon sellers, equipment providers makes a lot of money during wars..
- blaser-waffle 7y ago
  Bingo. That uneven distribution is why them Yankees seem to be fine with all these wars. The World Wars brought violence directly to the Asians and Europeans, devastating Europe from London to Moscow, and all over Asia. Rich and poor got it, good and hard, in their on backyards. Vietnam devastated... Vietnam. It was an economic blackhole for the US -- ditto for Iraq and Afghanistan -- but the average American is driving larger, nicer cars then ever, while living in comfy McMansions. Northern Virginia and Southern Maryland (Washington DC suburbs) are wealthier than ever -- all Top 10 richest counties in the US. They don't feel this pain, and probably never will, save for the small handful of volunteers shipped to Iraq/Afgan/etc.
  - deogeo 7y ago
    I think it's highly dubious to suggest that the average American is better off due to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is as the post you replied to said - the weapons sellers make money, while the rest of Americans pay them through taxes.
Synaesthesia 7y ago
The losses in human like were over 3 million for Vietnam and SE Asia, and 58000 for the US. That’s a discrepancy of like 50x. Also Vietnam was destroyed and ruined whereas the US was untouched.