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I'm aware of "buy-and-hold index fund investing". I believe it was a good strategy because it was an an unpopular, undervalued asset class 100 years ago and has
by AlchemistCamp 7y ago
I'm aware of "buy-and-hold index fund investing". I believe it was a good strategy because it was an an unpopular, undervalued asset class 100 years ago and has since become very popular and overvalued.
Another important consideration is that companies now go public much later than they did pre-Sarbox. The sad truth is that a company's biggest gains are generally behind them by the time retail investors are allowed in. There will be no repeat of the windfalls ordinary investors made[1] from the IPOs of Microsoft, Walmart, Starbucks and similar companies in today's batch of new IPOs. This in itself is a good reason not to reflexively discourage someone from learning about angel investing.
> I am also bewildered that you'd think buying index funds is good in an up-economy but is bad an a down-economy.
I don't think this.
Provided long-term real-GDP growth prospects are good, I think buying index funds when the funds themselves are under-valued is a good strategy. Looking at the underlying P/E, P/B, DCF or just about any metric you choose, you'll see that on average, publicly traded stocks[1] are very expensive compared to historical valuations.
1) both directly and through funds that index them
- icedchai 7y ago100 years ago? Index funds aren't that old.
- AlchemistCamp 7y agoStocks are. A common pitch used to sell people on index funds involves bragging about annualized returns of stocks going back even longer than that, and comparing them decade by decade against other asset classes such as real-estate and bonds. The implicit pitch is, "Look at this upward historical trend of stock valuations. If you invest in a fund that indexes them, you too will see these kinds of returns". Your point is good, though. Index funds never return quite as much as the underlying assets do since there are management fees. Over time, those fees compound.
- icedchai 7y agoYou will see those returns if you're invested long enough. Take a look at any 30+ year chart. Yes, there are periods of little-to-no return (2000-2011...)