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Be careful to distinguish borrowings and substitutions. They are not the same. Contemporary Indonesians substitute /ts/ for Arabic /θ/ if they have only so-so
by squiggleblaz 7y ago
Be careful to distinguish borrowings and substitutions. They are not the same.
Contemporary Indonesians substitute /ts/ for Arabic /θ/ if they have only so-so Arabic pronunciation. But this is on the basis of the contemporary transliteration of Arabic. Indonesians do not have the English speakers' concept of spelling - only transcription. In English, they're more likely to use /t d/ but sufficiently many people who speak English have learnt proper Arabic in school that they can pronounce the English sounds.
The use of /s/ is not a contemporary substitution, it's a historical borrowing. It's like saying "English substitutes french /s/ with /ʃ/" on the basis of words like "fashion". Yeah, at one point, French had an /s/ sound that sounds like English /ʃ/, but the pronunciations of both has changed and that doesn't happen any more.
The replacement of /ðˤ/ with /l/ in e.g. lohor is likewise a borrowing - but it seems to be ancient. ض is reconstructed as a velarised voiced lateral fricative in Wikipedia. And that borrowing is widespread; Indian Muslims going full Indian on me are surprised that I recognise "Lohor" from Indonesian. For my part, I pronounce it as thoohoo (book), but most native Australian English speaking Muslims seem to use /s z z/ for Arabic /θ ð ðˤ/ - they learnt the Arabic words from their Pakistani/Indian parents - and therefore say "zohaw" (hot). Even in recitation - Arabs seem to ask them to stop leading salah~sholat, but that hasn't happened to me.
Also, it's not actually /dʒ/ but more of a palatal stop. My wife - and even I - can certainly hear my accent in Indonesian. I also can't hear the difference between c and j unless I already recognise the word.
- thaumasiotes 7y ago> Be careful to distinguish borrowings and substitutions. They are not the same. They are the same. You're comparing substitutions that happened hundreds of years ago to substitutions that happen today. They follow different rules for obvious reasons, but they're not different things.