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>we need to raise the visibility and openness of dealing with drug addiction, to come out of the closet so to speak Keep in mind you are talking about a social

by daenz 7y ago

>we need to raise the visibility and openness of dealing with drug addiction, to come out of the closet so to speak Keep in mind you are talking about a social ailment to be corrected. It's tone deaf to LGBTQ community who has been considered a social ailment for a long time. If you avoid drawing analogies between mental/psychological illnesses and LGBTQ people, you will avoid coming off that way.

wolco 7y ago
Your len is off. Homosexuality was illegal and slowly we've reached the point of gay marriage. A lot of political reforms are still required. Drug law reforms still need to progress. Gay rights only progressed because of a personal connection. Using the same method for drug reform is not tone deaf. It's a little offensive drug reform is a mental/psychological issue. For many it may be a choice over legal choices that cause more issues.
- daenz 7y ago
  >Using the same method for drug reform is not tone deaf. Nobody is saying that using the same methods is tone deaf. Tone deafness is an insensitivity the nuances of marginalized groups. It's like saying we should fight systemic racism with the persistence of a field of laborers. The language is tone deaf to historical oppression. The message is right but the tone is way off. I'm trying to be polite about this, but maybe if you were screamed at in the streets as a blight on society for being gay, you would understand how language like "drug addicts should 'come out of the closet' so that we can treat addiction" (paraphrased, but accurate) is insensitive to gays who were/are treated like social illnesses.
  - crankylinuxuser 7y ago
    As someone who is bisexual and remembers "GRID"(0), we have come a long way forward. And it's 100% true that people are 'out of sight and out of mind' until these things hit you upside your head. "Gay people are weird" is said, until your child is gay. And those ideas of curing 'gay' then go from something's that's OK to recognizing torture. What the parent commentor got right was that when things are taboo, solutions are nigh impossible. Only once we started having frank and open discussion did we start making significant progress in equal rights. And I find your claim of "tone deafness" as a bad hack to shut down conversation you find uncomfortable or don't otherwise like. It's disingenous at best, and stops much needed communication between well-meaning parties. (0) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay-related_immune_deficiency https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay-related_immune_deficienc...
    - daenz 7y ago
      >And I find your claim of "tone deafness" as a bad hack to shut down conversation you find uncomfortable or don't otherwise like. It's disingenous at best, and stops much needed communication between well-meaning parties. If you go back and read my original post, I only dedicated one sentence to the tone deafness comment, and then addressed the other unrelated points they were making. I only elaborated on the tone deafness comment when I was specifically asked about it. So no, nobody is trying to shut down conversation and I would appreciate it if you not try to assign ill intent to my posts.
Ensorceled 7y ago
Ah, I see. It's the recreational drug use that must become open and accepted for us to be able to deal with the drug addiction part. That's the "radical drug policy" that Portugal is pursuing so I thought that would be clear. But here's a suggestion: Stop policing the "tone" of allies, especially "tone" that only exists because of uncharitable interpretations, and focus on the enemies of the LGBTQ community. There are many enemies.

by daenz 7y ago

wolco 7y ago

Your len is off. Homosexuality was illegal and slowly we've reached the point of gay marriage. A lot of political reforms are still required. Drug law reforms still need to progress. Gay rights only progressed because of a personal connection. Using the same method for drug reform is not tone deaf. It's a little offensive drug reform is a mental/psychological issue. For many it may be a choice over legal choices that cause more issues.

daenz 7y ago
>Using the same method for drug reform is not tone deaf. Nobody is saying that using the same methods is tone deaf. Tone deafness is an insensitivity the nuances of marginalized groups. It's like saying we should fight systemic racism with the persistence of a field of laborers. The language is tone deaf to historical oppression. The message is right but the tone is way off. I'm trying to be polite about this, but maybe if you were screamed at in the streets as a blight on society for being gay, you would understand how language like "drug addicts should 'come out of the closet' so that we can treat addiction" (paraphrased, but accurate) is insensitive to gays who were/are treated like social illnesses.
- crankylinuxuser 7y ago
  As someone who is bisexual and remembers "GRID"(0), we have come a long way forward. And it's 100% true that people are 'out of sight and out of mind' until these things hit you upside your head. "Gay people are weird" is said, until your child is gay. And those ideas of curing 'gay' then go from something's that's OK to recognizing torture. What the parent commentor got right was that when things are taboo, solutions are nigh impossible. Only once we started having frank and open discussion did we start making significant progress in equal rights. And I find your claim of "tone deafness" as a bad hack to shut down conversation you find uncomfortable or don't otherwise like. It's disingenous at best, and stops much needed communication between well-meaning parties. (0) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay-related_immune_deficiency https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay-related_immune_deficienc...
  - daenz 7y ago
    >And I find your claim of "tone deafness" as a bad hack to shut down conversation you find uncomfortable or don't otherwise like. It's disingenous at best, and stops much needed communication between well-meaning parties. If you go back and read my original post, I only dedicated one sentence to the tone deafness comment, and then addressed the other unrelated points they were making. I only elaborated on the tone deafness comment when I was specifically asked about it. So no, nobody is trying to shut down conversation and I would appreciate it if you not try to assign ill intent to my posts.

Ensorceled 7y ago

Ah, I see. It's the recreational drug use that must become open and accepted for us to be able to deal with the drug addiction part. That's the "radical drug policy" that Portugal is pursuing so I thought that would be clear. But here's a suggestion: Stop policing the "tone" of allies, especially "tone" that only exists because of uncharitable interpretations, and focus on the enemies of the LGBTQ community. There are many enemies.