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Up to 1% of THC which is useless, according to the total absense of peer reviewed clinical trials on CBD and also no fun. Europe would be perfect if literally

Up to 1% of THC which is useless, according to the total absense of peer reviewed clinical trials on CBD and also no fun. Europe would be perfect if literally anywhere got this sorted out Sure, the general lack of life ruining prison sentences is ok and a stark contrast from the US, Middle East and South East Asia. And further decriminalization is ok. But where are the gummies! The edibles! Recreational highs from a convenience store are totally absent. Hanging out with “edgy” people in Europe feels like high school 20 years ago. I really like the West Coast US culture of working professionals having weed and edibles casually.

jdavis703 7y ago
There's FDA approved CBD drugs like Epidiolex to treat seizures. There's also evidence it alleviates anxiety (it certainly has helped me manage mine at times). Yeah it's not fun like THC but that doesn't make it useless.
- rolltiide 7y ago
  Thanks, it was hyperbole rooted in missing the latest information (Epidiolex being approved only in June 2018) My main point is about whats available in Europe
  - jdavis703 7y ago
    I try to be skeptical about medical claims, especially around alternative medicine. But there's a good axiom: the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Considering that doing "gold standard" FDA approved double blind tests has long been illegal for marijuana-based therapies I kind of had to trust myself and others (for example a cancer survivor who claimed CBD moderatated their headaches) that there were some therapeutic benefits. This was especially true as some people claimed that after using traditional therapies it just didn't work for them or the unintended side effects weren't acceptable.
    - rolltiide 7y ago
      > But there's a good axiom: the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Very true. Thats a good lesson for this site and the expectations of internet detectives. People think they can just say “source” and the lack of immediate response serving as an indictment to nullify whatever statement. The reality is that a lot of information isnt digital or resolved at all. With regard to CBD amongst other alternative medicine, I mainly look at WHY there werent conclusive studies. For CBD its the legality challenges and I can accept that. For many other alternative medicines it is the incompatibility to any scientific method and impossibility of having peer reviewed repeatable results, masqueraded as preventative treatment.
icebraining 7y ago
> But where are the gummies! The edibles! Amsterdam? I don't know if the culture compares, but there are edibles, and it certainly felt casual and relaxed to me when I visited.
- rolltiide 7y ago
  Yeah thats there, I don't like the lack of consensus the Netherlands has towards it though. They just have coffee shops in some districts - notably Amsterdam - which only exist in some legal loophole, and its constantly under threat to snuff it out but then don't because tourism. Its really strange to me because I think as a whole the EU gets so many civil rights correct, or there are places in the EU and European subcontinent you can go to get whatever you want legally. But the drug policies existing under extremely backwards logic.

jdavis703 7y ago

There's FDA approved CBD drugs like Epidiolex to treat seizures. There's also evidence it alleviates anxiety (it certainly has helped me manage mine at times). Yeah it's not fun like THC but that doesn't make it useless.

rolltiide 7y ago
Thanks, it was hyperbole rooted in missing the latest information (Epidiolex being approved only in June 2018) My main point is about whats available in Europe
- jdavis703 7y ago
  I try to be skeptical about medical claims, especially around alternative medicine. But there's a good axiom: the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Considering that doing "gold standard" FDA approved double blind tests has long been illegal for marijuana-based therapies I kind of had to trust myself and others (for example a cancer survivor who claimed CBD moderatated their headaches) that there were some therapeutic benefits. This was especially true as some people claimed that after using traditional therapies it just didn't work for them or the unintended side effects weren't acceptable.
  - rolltiide 7y ago
    > But there's a good axiom: the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Very true. Thats a good lesson for this site and the expectations of internet detectives. People think they can just say “source” and the lack of immediate response serving as an indictment to nullify whatever statement. The reality is that a lot of information isnt digital or resolved at all. With regard to CBD amongst other alternative medicine, I mainly look at WHY there werent conclusive studies. For CBD its the legality challenges and I can accept that. For many other alternative medicines it is the incompatibility to any scientific method and impossibility of having peer reviewed repeatable results, masqueraded as preventative treatment.

icebraining 7y ago

> But where are the gummies! The edibles! Amsterdam? I don't know if the culture compares, but there are edibles, and it certainly felt casual and relaxed to me when I visited.

rolltiide 7y ago
Yeah thats there, I don't like the lack of consensus the Netherlands has towards it though. They just have coffee shops in some districts - notably Amsterdam - which only exist in some legal loophole, and its constantly under threat to snuff it out but then don't because tourism. Its really strange to me because I think as a whole the EU gets so many civil rights correct, or there are places in the EU and European subcontinent you can go to get whatever you want legally. But the drug policies existing under extremely backwards logic.