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“The world” is not just US and UK. Here in Switzerland, you can register as e.g. a heroin user, and be provided with cheap Swiss pharmaceutical quality heroin,

“The world” is not just US and UK. Here in Switzerland, you can register as e.g. a heroin user, and be provided with cheap Swiss pharmaceutical quality heroin, for the nominal price, in specialized centers for drug users (you obviously can’t take it away, consumption is only allowed on premises — where medical and psychological help is available, and counseling programs for quitting drugs are advertised). The program is immense success, there are no drug dealers on our streets anymore (can’t compete with cheap drugs from the government), drug-related crime has plummeted, and drug users numbers are falling down too (due to these counseling programs). And yes, marijuana is now fully legalized (up to some percentages of THC) and you can buy it with grocery stores just like cigarettes. Nobody seems to be particularly interested, there were no significant changes in consumption culture, etc.

grenoire 7y ago
Couldn't see much about marijuana legalisation in Switzerland, most articles refer to recent trials and such. Any sources?
- atemerev 7y ago
  https://theculturetrip.com/europe/switzerland/articles/switzerlands-legal-cannabis-comes-without-a-high/ https://theculturetrip.com/europe/switzerland/articles/switz...
rolltiide 7y ago
Up to 1% of THC which is useless, according to the total absense of peer reviewed clinical trials on CBD and also no fun. Europe would be perfect if literally anywhere got this sorted out Sure, the general lack of life ruining prison sentences is ok and a stark contrast from the US, Middle East and South East Asia. And further decriminalization is ok. But where are the gummies! The edibles! Recreational highs from a convenience store are totally absent. Hanging out with “edgy” people in Europe feels like high school 20 years ago. I really like the West Coast US culture of working professionals having weed and edibles casually.
- jdavis703 7y ago
  There's FDA approved CBD drugs like Epidiolex to treat seizures. There's also evidence it alleviates anxiety (it certainly has helped me manage mine at times). Yeah it's not fun like THC but that doesn't make it useless.
  - rolltiide 7y ago
    Thanks, it was hyperbole rooted in missing the latest information (Epidiolex being approved only in June 2018) My main point is about whats available in Europe
    - jdavis703 7y ago
      I try to be skeptical about medical claims, especially around alternative medicine. But there's a good axiom: the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Considering that doing "gold standard" FDA approved double blind tests has long been illegal for marijuana-based therapies I kind of had to trust myself and others (for example a cancer survivor who claimed CBD moderatated their headaches) that there were some therapeutic benefits. This was especially true as some people claimed that after using traditional therapies it just didn't work for them or the unintended side effects weren't acceptable.
      - rolltiide 7y ago
        > But there's a good axiom: the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Very true. Thats a good lesson for this site and the expectations of internet detectives. People think they can just say “source” and the lack of immediate response serving as an indictment to nullify whatever statement. The reality is that a lot of information isnt digital or resolved at all. With regard to CBD amongst other alternative medicine, I mainly look at WHY there werent conclusive studies. For CBD its the legality challenges and I can accept that. For many other alternative medicines it is the incompatibility to any scientific method and impossibility of having peer reviewed repeatable results, masqueraded as preventative treatment.
- 7y ago
conanbatt 7y ago
> And yes, marijuana is now fully legalized (up to some percentages of THC) and you can buy it with grocery stores just like cigarettes. Nobody seems to be particularly interested, there were no significant changes in consumption culture, etc. I disagree. I find the inundation of marijuana products in San Francisco pretty shocking and frankly as disagreable as general alcohol ads.
- xenospn 7y ago
  Are you comparing SF to Switzerland?

grenoire 7y ago

Couldn't see much about marijuana legalisation in Switzerland, most articles refer to recent trials and such. Any sources?

atemerev 7y ago
https://theculturetrip.com/europe/switzerland/articles/switzerlands-legal-cannabis-comes-without-a-high/ https://theculturetrip.com/europe/switzerland/articles/switz...

rolltiide 7y ago

Up to 1% of THC which is useless, according to the total absense of peer reviewed clinical trials on CBD and also no fun. Europe would be perfect if literally anywhere got this sorted out Sure, the general lack of life ruining prison sentences is ok and a stark contrast from the US, Middle East and South East Asia. And further decriminalization is ok. But where are the gummies! The edibles! Recreational highs from a convenience store are totally absent. Hanging out with “edgy” people in Europe feels like high school 20 years ago. I really like the West Coast US culture of working professionals having weed and edibles casually.

jdavis703 7y ago
There's FDA approved CBD drugs like Epidiolex to treat seizures. There's also evidence it alleviates anxiety (it certainly has helped me manage mine at times). Yeah it's not fun like THC but that doesn't make it useless.
- rolltiide 7y ago
  Thanks, it was hyperbole rooted in missing the latest information (Epidiolex being approved only in June 2018) My main point is about whats available in Europe
  - jdavis703 7y ago
    I try to be skeptical about medical claims, especially around alternative medicine. But there's a good axiom: the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Considering that doing "gold standard" FDA approved double blind tests has long been illegal for marijuana-based therapies I kind of had to trust myself and others (for example a cancer survivor who claimed CBD moderatated their headaches) that there were some therapeutic benefits. This was especially true as some people claimed that after using traditional therapies it just didn't work for them or the unintended side effects weren't acceptable.
    - rolltiide 7y ago
      > But there's a good axiom: the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Very true. Thats a good lesson for this site and the expectations of internet detectives. People think they can just say “source” and the lack of immediate response serving as an indictment to nullify whatever statement. The reality is that a lot of information isnt digital or resolved at all. With regard to CBD amongst other alternative medicine, I mainly look at WHY there werent conclusive studies. For CBD its the legality challenges and I can accept that. For many other alternative medicines it is the incompatibility to any scientific method and impossibility of having peer reviewed repeatable results, masqueraded as preventative treatment.
7y ago

conanbatt 7y ago

> And yes, marijuana is now fully legalized (up to some percentages of THC) and you can buy it with grocery stores just like cigarettes. Nobody seems to be particularly interested, there were no significant changes in consumption culture, etc. I disagree. I find the inundation of marijuana products in San Francisco pretty shocking and frankly as disagreable as general alcohol ads.

xenospn 7y ago
Are you comparing SF to Switzerland?