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Except when their rapid product cycle creates a feedback loop where users are afraid to adopt in fear of a shutdown, thereby increasing the risk of falsely dete
by Donald 7y ago
Except when their rapid product cycle creates a feedback loop where users are afraid to adopt in fear of a shutdown, thereby increasing the risk of falsely determining a bad market fit.
- diminoten 7y agoUsers aren't afraid to adopt Google products in any meaningful quantity.
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- arcticbull 7y agoI know I am. After they killed Health, Reader, Finance and Moderator, it became clear their new services weren't worth my time investing in. They've killed 143 services, 14 apps and 14 pieces of hardware since 2001. [1] I'm not even sure Finance is accurately reflected on this list since it just got neutered. I don't care how big a company you are, killing 10 products per year is one heck of a pace. [1] https://killedbygoogle.com https://killedbygoogle.com
- libraryatnight 7y agoSame here. Some time in the past hearing of a new Google product got me excited. I'd sign up for beta, get my friends onboard etc etc, now I just think "oh something they'll shut down" and largely ignore it.
- diminoten 7y agoYeah but you're not representative of a significantly sized user population.
- izacus 7y ago> I know I am. That's great, but do you have non-anectodal evidence that there's a enough people to make business sense for Google to change their strategy? This is a startup-oriented site after all, you don't run business on a single-person's gut feeling, but on data. Do you have a firm basis on which Google should change their, currently extremely profitable, strategy?
- darkmarmot 7y agoTheir history is why a lot of people at my Fortune 100 are looking to go with AWS and Azure over GCP. I'd guess they are damaging their enterprise prospects at other companies as well.
- mondoshawan 7y agoThis is an anecdote -- not data.
- mayankkaizen 7y agoYour point is fair but I have read too many stories of people not preferring Google cloud services exactly because they think Google can't be trusted in long term. Also, I believe data is available to at least show that Google Cloud is behind both AWS and Azure in terms of clients.
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- scarface74 7y agoIs it not data that GCP is far behind AWS and Azure when it comes to adoption in large enterprises?
- diminoten 7y agoThere's no causal link between the two.
- arcticbull 7y agoTo be fair you don’t know that. More data is required.
- diminoten 7y agoI do know there's no data to support it. Are you serious?
- DannyBee 7y agoWhat were you using moderator for?
- hu3 7y agoFor what is worth I just asked around in family barbecue if anyone knows a Google product that shutdown. No one knows. Non tech savvy hardly know that Youtube belongs to Google even. Tech forums like this are a bubble and we must take care when generalizing our assumptions.
- scarface74 7y agoCompare GCP adoption to AWS and Azure.
- v7p1Qbt1im 7y agoTo be fair, AWS still has first mover advantage. And Azure has lock-in advantages because of existing enterprise relationships. From anecdotal evidence I know that that base products are largely the same, as is top tier support. If anything GCP seems to have great documentation, may be a shade cheaper and devs seem to like it. Then everyone has their strengths. If you want to run a lot of containers or ML for example, GCP seems a save bet.
- scarface74 7y agoGCPs customer support is light years behind AWS’s business or enterprise support. I’ve yet to hear anyone say anything positive about any part of Google’s customer support. Then everyone has their strengths. If you want to run a lot of containers or ML for example, GCP seems a save bet. And that’s a minuscule part of the market. But as far as I know, AWS has never outright abandoned a product. They may make it unavailable to new accounts.
- v7p1Qbt1im 7y ago> GCPs customer support is light years behind AWS’s business or enterprise support. I’ve yet to hear anyone say anything positive about any part of Google’s customer support. I‘ve heard positive things. But yeah, that‘s not really something you can measure easily. > And that‘s a minuscule part of the market. Yes, for now. Eventually everything might be containers and serverless. > But as far as I know, AWS has never outright abandoned a product. They may make it unavailable to new accounts. Can‘t recall GCP ever abandoning something. Regardless, all the providers have the same deprecation policy I believe. Announce at least one year prior to deprecation.
- scarface74 7y agoCan‘t recall GCP ever abandoning something. Regardless, all the providers have the same deprecation policy I believe. Announce at least one year prior to deprecation. One example I can think of is running an EC2 instance (VM) in AWS outside of VPC. That’s been deprecated for almost a decade, you can’t do it in new accounts, but AWS still supports it for old accounts.