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> You use words like ‘rebalance’ as if there is an objective, universally shared belief our culture is out of balance. I thought it was a fairly universal idea

> You use words like ‘rebalance’ as if there is an objective, universally shared belief our culture is out of balance. I thought it was a fairly universal idea that there’s an high level of amount of gender imbalance with regards to professional programmers. Most frequently seen at programming meetups and conventions. Maybe it’s not commonly accepted as a problem in your sphere, but I’d bet if you asked around you’d get answers that surprise you.

mpfundstein 7y ago
There are also many more male garbage man than garbage woman. Where is the outcry?
- taurath 7y ago
  Why aren’t there more garbagewomen? Is it the same reason there are aren’t women professional programmers? What’s your argument as to why there are these differences - that it’s some sort of natural order?
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- junipertea 7y ago
  People with low education have the opportunity to work an physically demanding low pay job regardless of gender. Women are forced out of high paying intelectual job because they can't be one of the Bros
- dang 7y ago
  This is the second time in the same thread that you've taken a leap into generic flamewar. That's exactly what we don't want in discussions here. Would you please review the site guidelines and not do that on HN? It's extremely tedious, only gets worse, and ends distastefully. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - edejong 7y ago
    To me it seems a sound argument. GP uses 'rebalance' in a generic setting. GP defends this by examplifying a specific situation. The parent riposte is to give a counter-example for which the 'rebalancing' clearly does not take place. This seems to me to be logically sound. 1. for_all x: A(x) => P(x) (need for rebalance) 2. Please prove! (my comment: don't assume we believe everything needs to be rebalanced) 3. x_1: A(x) and P(x) (gives example of programmer community) 4. Not a proof! x_2: A(x) and !(P(x)) (gives counter-example of garbage men)
edejong 7y ago
There is definitely a difference in outcome in the programmers community. The question is whether there is a difference in opportunity. Don't you think that by emphasizing the differences by forcefully changing our accepted speech, you are making it harder for women to enter the sphere? To be able to fight, but refraining from fighting, is what makes us human. It allows us to show mutual respect and to form true connections.

mpfundstein 7y ago

There are also many more male garbage man than garbage woman. Where is the outcry?

taurath 7y ago
Why aren’t there more garbagewomen? Is it the same reason there are aren’t women professional programmers? What’s your argument as to why there are these differences - that it’s some sort of natural order?
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junipertea 7y ago
People with low education have the opportunity to work an physically demanding low pay job regardless of gender. Women are forced out of high paying intelectual job because they can't be one of the Bros
dang 7y ago
This is the second time in the same thread that you've taken a leap into generic flamewar. That's exactly what we don't want in discussions here. Would you please review the site guidelines and not do that on HN? It's extremely tedious, only gets worse, and ends distastefully. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- edejong 7y ago
  To me it seems a sound argument. GP uses 'rebalance' in a generic setting. GP defends this by examplifying a specific situation. The parent riposte is to give a counter-example for which the 'rebalancing' clearly does not take place. This seems to me to be logically sound. 1. for_all x: A(x) => P(x) (need for rebalance) 2. Please prove! (my comment: don't assume we believe everything needs to be rebalanced) 3. x_1: A(x) and P(x) (gives example of programmer community) 4. Not a proof! x_2: A(x) and !(P(x)) (gives counter-example of garbage men)

edejong 7y ago

There is definitely a difference in outcome in the programmers community. The question is whether there is a difference in opportunity. Don't you think that by emphasizing the differences by forcefully changing our accepted speech, you are making it harder for women to enter the sphere? To be able to fight, but refraining from fighting, is what makes us human. It allows us to show mutual respect and to form true connections.