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This morning I spent 20 minutes trying to hunt down a spider near my desk at home. I didn't want to clear all the wires and papers and hardware on the desk, and
by the_pwner224 7y ago
This morning I spent 20 minutes trying to hunt down a spider near my desk at home. I didn't want to clear all the wires and papers and hardware on the desk, and the spider used those to juke around me and my big napkin. Eventually I left and surfed the net on my phone; when I came back an hour later it was nowhere to be seen. But I was absolutely prepared to murder it the moment I got a chance.
On the other hand, I've been dabbling with hydroponics. Most suggestions say to plant 2-3 seeds per growing block, so that you are protected against the risk of seeds not sprouting. If multiple seeds sprout, you just snip the tiny seedlings and leave the biggest, hardiest one to grow. A few days ago I killed 3 small seedlings and felt incredibly guilty. About a third of the way to crying over it. Next time I will only plant one seed per spot, even though that means I will get average plants instead of big ones, and it will take longer to replant seeds that don't sprout. The feeling of killing those beautiful young plants was just too much to bear.
On the other hand I have never felt bad for the millions of plants that have died to feed me.
Nature is a dog-eat-dog world. Ultimately we've got to kill to survive and to have a livable habitat. I had seen the spider I was hunting this morning walking around my window a few times over the last few weeks, but I left it alone until it bothered me. Sure, it's sad to kill another living being, but spiders are much less conscious than us and we've got to eventually rationalize the fact that a human is worth thousands of plants and spiders and bugs (if not, then the only logical action would be to commit suicide, unless you dedicated your life to saving plants and spiders and bugs). Even if you don't kill them directly, you do so indirectly by participating in our modern economy.
Tldr it sucks, too bad :(
- AQuantized 7y agoI don't understand why plants are particularly relevant to this equation. Your sentimentality for the young plants is irrelevant to whether or not they can suffer.
- the_pwner224 7y agoThe parent was commenting that knowing that insects feel pain has made it harder for him to act in a way that feels ethical. I suggested that we need to just believe that we are more important than those dumb(er) lifeforms, but we should still avoid unnecessary killing whenever possible. Like not killing bugs/spiders unless they are actually annoying you, and not planting so many plants that you'll need to kill the extra ones. I guess the plant example also showed that our sense of morality can be very illogical - the parent has qualms over hurting bugs, I really disliked killing plants needlessly, yet we all go and eat vegetables (and meat) every day, and our society has committed many, many genocides to nonhuman species.
- AQuantized 7y agoI suppose I don't understand the conflation of the very real mass slaughter of nonhuman animals, with harvesting plants.
- jobigoud 7y agoRegarding spiders: at some point I got interested in macro photography and one day a big spider happened to be on my desk. It stayed still for more than an hour and I could get really magnified shots from several angles, and study its little eyes and minute details on the legs. Got me interested in its species, how to recognize them, etc. This mostly cured me from arachnophobia for some reason.
- yyyk 7y agoNon-poisonous spiders are actually benign. You may wish to keep it alive the next time you see it. They can catch the things that might really harm, and for me, a spider is much less annoying than a fly.