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Would be interested to see more in-depth numbers backing this up. Anyone know the state of publicly accessible tennis (shot-by-shot) data?

by thom 7y ago

nyjah 7y ago
The data is pretty difficult to obtain, but there's some great analysis on Nadal done by Craig O'Shannessy. Craig O' Shannessy is Djokovic's strategy coach and I think a pioneer to the game. He has plenty of posts about Nadal, here is just to get you started, some of the articles are members only, but there are plenty of great ones that aren't.. https://www.braingametennis.com/?s=nadal https://www.braingametennis.com/?s=nadal
- necovek 7y ago
  While I've seen his posts (eg on atptour.com), he is usually noticing correlation that might not be causation: eg. take a look at his "second serve win rate" article — https://www.atptour.com/en/news/second-serves-nadal-federer-djokovic-infosys-june-2019 https://www.atptour.com/en/news/second-serves-nadal-federer-... It's obvious that it simply has good baseliners (players likelier to win a point once the ball is in play) and big 2nd servers at the top. But there's no data to support this, other than my gut feel of seeing big3 and Isner in there. But what about Kohlschreiber? While I am sure he does better work for his clients, he seems to have access to shot-by-shot data which I think is most valuable.
necovek 7y ago
I don't know of any tournament offering shot-by-shot data in their live scores (it's usually just the last hit in a point that's tracked by statistics, which I don't think says enough). If anyone knows of shot-by-shot data for just a single tournament, that'd be great to see and explore :)
jsackmann 7y ago
Shot-by-shot stats for almost 6,000 pro matches, including over 300 of Nadal's and 400 of Federer's: http://www.tennisabstract.com/charting/meta.html http://www.tennisabstract.com/charting/meta.html Raw data for a large subset of those matches: https://github.com/JeffSackmann/tennis_MatchChartingProject https://github.com/JeffSackmann/tennis_MatchChartingProject
- necovek 7y ago
  Wow, great source, thanks.

Would be interested to see more in-depth numbers backing this up. Anyone know the state of publicly accessible tennis (shot-by-shot) data?

by thom 7y ago

Would be interested to see more in-depth numbers backing this up. Anyone know the state of publicly accessible tennis (shot-by-shot) data?

nyjah 7y ago

The data is pretty difficult to obtain, but there's some great analysis on Nadal done by Craig O'Shannessy. Craig O' Shannessy is Djokovic's strategy coach and I think a pioneer to the game. He has plenty of posts about Nadal, here is just to get you started, some of the articles are members only, but there are plenty of great ones that aren't.. https://www.braingametennis.com/?s=nadal https://www.braingametennis.com/?s=nadal

necovek 7y ago
While I've seen his posts (eg on atptour.com), he is usually noticing correlation that might not be causation: eg. take a look at his "second serve win rate" article — https://www.atptour.com/en/news/second-serves-nadal-federer-djokovic-infosys-june-2019 https://www.atptour.com/en/news/second-serves-nadal-federer-... It's obvious that it simply has good baseliners (players likelier to win a point once the ball is in play) and big 2nd servers at the top. But there's no data to support this, other than my gut feel of seeing big3 and Isner in there. But what about Kohlschreiber? While I am sure he does better work for his clients, he seems to have access to shot-by-shot data which I think is most valuable.

necovek 7y ago

I don't know of any tournament offering shot-by-shot data in their live scores (it's usually just the last hit in a point that's tracked by statistics, which I don't think says enough). If anyone knows of shot-by-shot data for just a single tournament, that'd be great to see and explore :)

jsackmann 7y ago

Shot-by-shot stats for almost 6,000 pro matches, including over 300 of Nadal's and 400 of Federer's: http://www.tennisabstract.com/charting/meta.html http://www.tennisabstract.com/charting/meta.html Raw data for a large subset of those matches: https://github.com/JeffSackmann/tennis_MatchChartingProject https://github.com/JeffSackmann/tennis_MatchChartingProject

necovek 7y ago
Wow, great source, thanks.