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React Native 0.60

72 points by reimertz 7y ago

blumomo 7y ago
Past discussions: - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20344705 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20344705 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20360060 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20360060
- futureastronaut 7y ago
  Second one has no comments, not much of a discussion.
  - blumomo 7y ago
    Well seen! I should have said "past posts" instead
    - hombre_fatal 7y ago
      Though what's the point of linking past posts if they have no discussion? It's not like anyone would want to post in a dead submission.
      - blumomo 7y ago
        To demonstrate that the same story has been ashtray posted another 2 times within a span of roughly a week. It has little value to repost it a 3rd time again. Edit: interestingly, the most recent re-post did gain some traction this time!
halfmatthalfcat 7y ago
I tried Nativescript, React Native and Ionic. I've had previous experience with both React and Angular. I found Ionic to have the most enjoyable and cogent end-to-end experience amongst the three. Interopt with Nativescript and other libs was hard, React Native didn't support Typescript as a first-class citizen (which as a prereq of mine) and the developer tooling wasn't as mature as the Ionic/Cordova/Angular cli(s) were. A lot of noise around Flutter but haven't given it a try yet, but I'm weary because of defining views-as-code rather then a flavor of JSX/Angular Templates.
- k__ 7y ago
  Have you tried Expo?
- bauerd 7y ago
  >because of defining views-as-code rather then a flavor of JSX/Angular Templates JSX is just syntactic sugar, it's not a templating language. You could write yourself a JSX syntax extension for Dart, it'd be the same thing really. Edit: More succinctly, JSX desugars to method calls
- eklavya 7y ago
  For a stupid guy like me who needs the compiler, flutter is the most sane experience I have ever had in the UI ecosystem (except Qt and JavaFX). The view as code is really really better (for me).
  - krzat 7y ago
    Same here. I don't see how adding some kind of XML layer on top of Dart would help with anything.
  - teamski 7y ago
    Tell us nore about your dev experience with Flutter. Can you also create the web version of your app with Flutter?
    - eklavya 7y ago
      Desktop and web versions are in the making. So we will be able to make all of them from a single codebase. I am really dependent on static types so take my take on this with a grain of salt :) Flutter is more mature right from the Dev tools to the overall ecosystem. The types are first class and make it a joy to use. Not to mention the libraries are better quality and stuff works even when you upgrade. I could never work on any RN project for more than 1-2 weeks without something or the other breaking and me cursing out aloud for the really shitty (again subjective) state of things. I am used to having codebases just keep on working almost forever.
beardedman 7y ago
Still a few bugs to iron out (esp. with React Native Maps) - but good work to the team on this one. The autolinking is a game changer. Also looking forward to giving Hermes a spin!
ausjke 7y ago
https://www.npmtrends.com/ionic-vs-quasar-framework-vs-react-native https://www.npmtrends.com/ionic-vs-quasar-framework-vs-react... at the moment react-native remains way ahead of ionic and quasar alternatives. in real ionic is mainly about Angular while Quasar is mainly about Vue, so React Native must be mainly about React, which happens to be the largest framework comparing to Angular and Vue these days.
- jsjohnst 7y ago
  Assuming you are someone who thinks “number of downloads” is a proxy metric for “quality” or “developer experience” or “production ready”, maybe.
  - k__ 7y ago
    This isn't some Oracle or SAP product your boss bought and forced you to use it...
    - jsjohnst 7y ago
      Downloads != actually using in “production” Not discrediting RN, just calling out that the number of downloads is a terrible proxy metric for quality.
matchbok 7y ago
I just really can't see RN gaining much traction outside of experimental/small apps. You very much still need experienced mobile devs to debug the multitude of Java/kotlin/XCode/Android issues that come up because of how fragile the entire workflow is. Running a business on that is non-starter.
- popotamonga 7y ago
  I run. A voip app for call centers. You can't imagine the pain.
- verttii 7y ago
  I have to agree with you. Moreover, you also go through plenty of pain to make the app work well on both platforms, with surprisingly much platform specific code.
  - stockkid 7y ago
    While I am not necessarily an advocate of React Native, I don't think your point is fair. React Native never promises that its users can "write once and run anywhere".
    - verttii 7y ago
      Fair enough, but my point stands. Flutter is much more pleasant in cross-platform development even though this isn't even its primary goal. I understand this is not a trivial problem, just comparing my experiences with RN with Flutter.
- k__ 7y ago
  Luckily the most RN devs come from the web and have a much higher pain tolerance.
  - himeexcelanta 7y ago
    Chuckled at this. But honestly I find debugging the “native” side of RN apps much more painful than any type of web development I’ve had experience with. Then again perhaps I’ve never worked with a 100% pure native app so would love to hear some more perspectives on this.
pritambarhate 7y ago
So looks like upgrading existing apps to RN 0.60 is going to be pain! Same old RN story. So many backwards incompatible changes.

72 points by reimertz 7y ago

Past discussions: - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20344705 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20344705 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20360060 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20360060

futureastronaut 7y ago
Second one has no comments, not much of a discussion.
- blumomo 7y ago
  Well seen! I should have said "past posts" instead
  - hombre_fatal 7y ago
    Though what's the point of linking past posts if they have no discussion? It's not like anyone would want to post in a dead submission.
    - blumomo 7y ago
      To demonstrate that the same story has been ashtray posted another 2 times within a span of roughly a week. It has little value to repost it a 3rd time again. Edit: interestingly, the most recent re-post did gain some traction this time!

halfmatthalfcat 7y ago

I tried Nativescript, React Native and Ionic. I've had previous experience with both React and Angular. I found Ionic to have the most enjoyable and cogent end-to-end experience amongst the three. Interopt with Nativescript and other libs was hard, React Native didn't support Typescript as a first-class citizen (which as a prereq of mine) and the developer tooling wasn't as mature as the Ionic/Cordova/Angular cli(s) were. A lot of noise around Flutter but haven't given it a try yet, but I'm weary because of defining views-as-code rather then a flavor of JSX/Angular Templates.

k__ 7y ago
Have you tried Expo?
bauerd 7y ago
>because of defining views-as-code rather then a flavor of JSX/Angular Templates JSX is just syntactic sugar, it's not a templating language. You could write yourself a JSX syntax extension for Dart, it'd be the same thing really. Edit: More succinctly, JSX desugars to method calls
eklavya 7y ago
For a stupid guy like me who needs the compiler, flutter is the most sane experience I have ever had in the UI ecosystem (except Qt and JavaFX). The view as code is really really better (for me).
- krzat 7y ago
  Same here. I don't see how adding some kind of XML layer on top of Dart would help with anything.
- teamski 7y ago
  Tell us nore about your dev experience with Flutter. Can you also create the web version of your app with Flutter?
  - eklavya 7y ago
    Desktop and web versions are in the making. So we will be able to make all of them from a single codebase. I am really dependent on static types so take my take on this with a grain of salt :) Flutter is more mature right from the Dev tools to the overall ecosystem. The types are first class and make it a joy to use. Not to mention the libraries are better quality and stuff works even when you upgrade. I could never work on any RN project for more than 1-2 weeks without something or the other breaking and me cursing out aloud for the really shitty (again subjective) state of things. I am used to having codebases just keep on working almost forever.

beardedman 7y ago

Still a few bugs to iron out (esp. with React Native Maps) - but good work to the team on this one. The autolinking is a game changer. Also looking forward to giving Hermes a spin!

ausjke 7y ago

https://www.npmtrends.com/ionic-vs-quasar-framework-vs-react-native https://www.npmtrends.com/ionic-vs-quasar-framework-vs-react... at the moment react-native remains way ahead of ionic and quasar alternatives. in real ionic is mainly about Angular while Quasar is mainly about Vue, so React Native must be mainly about React, which happens to be the largest framework comparing to Angular and Vue these days.

jsjohnst 7y ago
Assuming you are someone who thinks “number of downloads” is a proxy metric for “quality” or “developer experience” or “production ready”, maybe.
- k__ 7y ago
  This isn't some Oracle or SAP product your boss bought and forced you to use it...
  - jsjohnst 7y ago
    Downloads != actually using in “production” Not discrediting RN, just calling out that the number of downloads is a terrible proxy metric for quality.

matchbok 7y ago

I just really can't see RN gaining much traction outside of experimental/small apps. You very much still need experienced mobile devs to debug the multitude of Java/kotlin/XCode/Android issues that come up because of how fragile the entire workflow is. Running a business on that is non-starter.

popotamonga 7y ago
I run. A voip app for call centers. You can't imagine the pain.
verttii 7y ago
I have to agree with you. Moreover, you also go through plenty of pain to make the app work well on both platforms, with surprisingly much platform specific code.
- stockkid 7y ago
  While I am not necessarily an advocate of React Native, I don't think your point is fair. React Native never promises that its users can "write once and run anywhere".
  - verttii 7y ago
    Fair enough, but my point stands. Flutter is much more pleasant in cross-platform development even though this isn't even its primary goal. I understand this is not a trivial problem, just comparing my experiences with RN with Flutter.
k__ 7y ago
Luckily the most RN devs come from the web and have a much higher pain tolerance.
- himeexcelanta 7y ago
  Chuckled at this. But honestly I find debugging the “native” side of RN apps much more painful than any type of web development I’ve had experience with. Then again perhaps I’ve never worked with a 100% pure native app so would love to hear some more perspectives on this.

pritambarhate 7y ago

So looks like upgrading existing apps to RN 0.60 is going to be pain! Same old RN story. So many backwards incompatible changes.