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>I think most normal drivers on a cross country trip need bathroom breaks, lunch/snacks/drinks, leg stretching etc. every 2-3 hours. Great opportunity to plug i

>I think most normal drivers on a cross country trip need bathroom breaks, lunch/snacks/drinks, leg stretching etc. every 2-3 hours. Great opportunity to plug in and recharge enough for another 2-3 hours. Everytime I hear this I wonder if the people saying it have ever taken a road trip. Stopping every 2-3 hours for a half hour on a long road trip seems downright crazy to me. This is beside the point that during the busy season of summer travel there are sometimes extensive lines at gas stations on popular routes. Imagine if every car took 15-45 minutes to fuel up? Range anxiety is real. EVs are the ultimate commuting cars: known distance, charge at home over night. But for the immediate future, over long distance, gasoline cars are hard to beat.

lazyjones 7y ago
> Stopping every 2-3 hours for a half hour on a long road trip seems downright crazy to me. It seems crazy to you because you haven't done it. It seems perfectly normal and acceptable to people who drive Teslas over long distances. I see people going for lunch, shopping, sightseeing at Superchargers. If you know you'll have to wait 20+ minutes, you just find something to do instead of biting your fingernails.
- Fins 7y ago
  SO basically, if you adjust your behavior to match the car, it will, eventually, get you where you're going. And if you really want to enjoy lunch and sightseeing at such beautiful places as the Supercharger station in Kettleman City. Not everyone is willing to make these tradeoffs, especially for a car that costs twice as much as a comparable ICE one.
  - lazyjones 7y ago
    This is going nowhere really. When I had an ICE car, I never drove 12+ hours/day because it was too exhausting. Now I've done 5 such trips in the past 8 months alone and it was no issue because the breaks and AP keep me refreshed. And there's no comparable ICE car because they are all noisy, smelly and uncomfortable, while most are much slower too (acceleration). Also, there's Sentry Mode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRGarDcUELE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRGarDcUELE You'll find out eventually.
    - Fins 7y ago
      LOL. Seriously. Can we please stop with this asinine assumption that only people who did not try a Tesla can possibly dislike them? It got old 5 years ago. Sure, Tesla has pretty good acceleration (other than the roadster, nothing you couldn't get with an ICE). When I was 20 years younger, I might have even cared. Now I am somehow more interested in meaningful comforts and conveniences, and outside of the SV gaggle of kids who thing that being a computer on wheels, with a big screen means that Tesla is a "luxury" car, presenting even Model S as somehow competing with any of the big name luxury brands is just laughable. Hell, even my wife's Hyundai plug-in has things that you can't get in any Tesla. For half the price. Well, but Tesla has fart jokes. I'll take colled seats, thank you very much. I wouldn't even start with the AP, it's not any better than anybody else's driver assist systems. Except when it drives you into a fire truck or median barrier, of course. Then it could be considered a natural selection tool, I guess /s FWIW, in the same period I did 2 2000+ mile drives, and a few in 300-500 range, and in all of them I needed to actually get where I was going in some reasonable time. Maybe with stops at some vista points, but those generally do not have superchargers anywhere near. Could I make it in a Tesla? Sure. I could make it in a Leaf probably, too. It would just take significantly more time, and I would need to spend much more time at places that have chargers, and those (just like places with gas stations on the Interstate) usually aren't all that exiting. For Tesla's target market, people with more money than actual need for a car as a tool, it actually all makes sense and works quite well. But I somehow doubt that this market is large enough to "drive German automakers out of business in 2 years" as some claim here, or even to make a significant dent in ICE car sales, absent some drastic legal or tax pressure.
      - lazyjones 7y ago
        > Can we please stop with this asinine assumption that only people who did not try a Tesla can possibly dislike them? It got old 5 years ago. Still works with everyone I tried. Do you know what really got old something like 7 years ago? The claim that you can't drive long distances in a Tesla. Hansjörg Gemmingen just reported hitting 900000 Km in his Model S (from 2015 I believe) after driving ~50000 Km in 2 months. > Tesla has pretty good acceleration (other than the roadster, nothing you couldn't get with an ICE) OK, how much is an ICE that gets the 2.6s 0-100 Km/h of the Model S Performance? And what comfort does it offer? > FWIW, in the same period I did 2 2000+ mile drives In 1 day? Impressive. Or we are talking about completely different things. > But I somehow doubt that this market is large enough to "drive German automakers out of business in 2 years" as some claim here, or even to make a significant dent in ICE car sales, absent some drastic legal or tax pressure. German newspapers already reported on recent losses by Daimer, BMW and explicitly mentioned EV (and their failing transition) as one reason.
jillesvangurp 7y ago
My understanding is that for road safety, getting out of the car every 2-3 500-600 km in a single day. On the extremely rare occasions that I do; I'll plan to have some food in between and will likely end up stopping multiple times. That leaves plenty of room to charge. I don't think I've ever filled up a car and then drove it non stop until I nearly ran out of fuel. And I've driven some shitty cars with quite poor range. Anyway, range anxiety would be justified if it was hard to find a charging point and or if you'd have barely enough range to get to the next charging point. Neither is the case. Your car will tell you how much juice you have left and where you can get some more. Unlike gas stations, charging points are all over the place and not bottle necked on fuel truck deliveries to handful of locations. So, there's no need to queue up to charge.

lazyjones 7y ago

> Stopping every 2-3 hours for a half hour on a long road trip seems downright crazy to me. It seems crazy to you because you haven't done it. It seems perfectly normal and acceptable to people who drive Teslas over long distances. I see people going for lunch, shopping, sightseeing at Superchargers. If you know you'll have to wait 20+ minutes, you just find something to do instead of biting your fingernails.

Fins 7y ago
SO basically, if you adjust your behavior to match the car, it will, eventually, get you where you're going. And if you really want to enjoy lunch and sightseeing at such beautiful places as the Supercharger station in Kettleman City. Not everyone is willing to make these tradeoffs, especially for a car that costs twice as much as a comparable ICE one.
- lazyjones 7y ago
  This is going nowhere really. When I had an ICE car, I never drove 12+ hours/day because it was too exhausting. Now I've done 5 such trips in the past 8 months alone and it was no issue because the breaks and AP keep me refreshed. And there's no comparable ICE car because they are all noisy, smelly and uncomfortable, while most are much slower too (acceleration). Also, there's Sentry Mode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRGarDcUELE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRGarDcUELE You'll find out eventually.
  - Fins 7y ago
    LOL. Seriously. Can we please stop with this asinine assumption that only people who did not try a Tesla can possibly dislike them? It got old 5 years ago. Sure, Tesla has pretty good acceleration (other than the roadster, nothing you couldn't get with an ICE). When I was 20 years younger, I might have even cared. Now I am somehow more interested in meaningful comforts and conveniences, and outside of the SV gaggle of kids who thing that being a computer on wheels, with a big screen means that Tesla is a "luxury" car, presenting even Model S as somehow competing with any of the big name luxury brands is just laughable. Hell, even my wife's Hyundai plug-in has things that you can't get in any Tesla. For half the price. Well, but Tesla has fart jokes. I'll take colled seats, thank you very much. I wouldn't even start with the AP, it's not any better than anybody else's driver assist systems. Except when it drives you into a fire truck or median barrier, of course. Then it could be considered a natural selection tool, I guess /s FWIW, in the same period I did 2 2000+ mile drives, and a few in 300-500 range, and in all of them I needed to actually get where I was going in some reasonable time. Maybe with stops at some vista points, but those generally do not have superchargers anywhere near. Could I make it in a Tesla? Sure. I could make it in a Leaf probably, too. It would just take significantly more time, and I would need to spend much more time at places that have chargers, and those (just like places with gas stations on the Interstate) usually aren't all that exiting. For Tesla's target market, people with more money than actual need for a car as a tool, it actually all makes sense and works quite well. But I somehow doubt that this market is large enough to "drive German automakers out of business in 2 years" as some claim here, or even to make a significant dent in ICE car sales, absent some drastic legal or tax pressure.
    - lazyjones 7y ago
      > Can we please stop with this asinine assumption that only people who did not try a Tesla can possibly dislike them? It got old 5 years ago. Still works with everyone I tried. Do you know what really got old something like 7 years ago? The claim that you can't drive long distances in a Tesla. Hansjörg Gemmingen just reported hitting 900000 Km in his Model S (from 2015 I believe) after driving ~50000 Km in 2 months. > Tesla has pretty good acceleration (other than the roadster, nothing you couldn't get with an ICE) OK, how much is an ICE that gets the 2.6s 0-100 Km/h of the Model S Performance? And what comfort does it offer? > FWIW, in the same period I did 2 2000+ mile drives In 1 day? Impressive. Or we are talking about completely different things. > But I somehow doubt that this market is large enough to "drive German automakers out of business in 2 years" as some claim here, or even to make a significant dent in ICE car sales, absent some drastic legal or tax pressure. German newspapers already reported on recent losses by Daimer, BMW and explicitly mentioned EV (and their failing transition) as one reason.

jillesvangurp 7y ago

My understanding is that for road safety, getting out of the car every 2-3 500-600 km in a single day. On the extremely rare occasions that I do; I'll plan to have some food in between and will likely end up stopping multiple times. That leaves plenty of room to charge. I don't think I've ever filled up a car and then drove it non stop until I nearly ran out of fuel. And I've driven some shitty cars with quite poor range. Anyway, range anxiety would be justified if it was hard to find a charging point and or if you'd have barely enough range to get to the next charging point. Neither is the case. Your car will tell you how much juice you have left and where you can get some more. Unlike gas stations, charging points are all over the place and not bottle necked on fuel truck deliveries to handful of locations. So, there's no need to queue up to charge.