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It is not that simple. I do not use it. Yet someone can upload an image I send them, or my photograph without my knowledge. It needs to be strictly regulated.

zzzcpan 7y ago
This is how the internet works. Any files you send someone can end up somewhere on the internet. Facebook has nothing to do with it.
- Ultramanoid 7y ago
  Facebook has everything to do with the data they host, modify, and distribute. And the current legal debate and regulations about it are long overdue.
  - zzzcpan 7y ago
    Files you send someone are out of your control whether you like it or not and can end up somewhere on the internet. The world where regulations can prevent that would be so creepy dystopian, that it wouldn't even need humans anymore.
    - Ultramanoid 7y ago
      That's conflating two different problems. The issue of someone posting something without permission is one, and what Facebook does with what it distributes is another, entirely different second issue. We are discussing the second. Is it dystopian to regulate that sites cannot host and distribute pedophile content for instance ? Regulations are needed, in the internet as much as anywhere else.
      - zzzcpan 7y ago
        > Is it dystopian to regulate that sites cannot host and distribute pedophile content for instance ? Yes, this is exactly dystopian.
    - 6gvONxR4sf7o 7y ago
      Just think of the real world analogue. I give you access to my stuff. Maybe I lend it to you, maybe I let you crash at my place. That doesn't let you do whatever you want. If I lend you my car and you take it to a car crusher, that's messed up and regulations protect it.
      - feu 7y ago
        The analogy doesn't hold. Unlike in the case of the car, if you send someone a file you are not deprived of use of the original.
buboard 7y ago
I m looking forward to the time when facebook is banned, people turn to proper decentralized alternatives, and panic when they realize they can no longer delete their pics from the net
- Barrin92 7y ago
  that won't happen. Something that is decentralised but still runs on public infrastructure can be blocked or legal entities can be held accountable. Something that is floating around in the "dark web" or some obscure private server is for practical purposes not accessible to vast amount of users. You don't need to look to the future. We already have p2p solutions and encryption that if hacked together could serve as some sort of decentralised storage. The public doesn't use it.
  - buboard 7y ago
    > have p2p solutions Had. Torrent is mostly banned at ISP level. > The public doesn't use it. They will if there is no alternative. The public uses email because there was no WhatsApp in 1989.
  - johnchristopher 7y ago
    > We already have p2p solutions and encryption that if hacked together could serve as some sort of decentralised storage. The public doesn't use it. The public doesn't use it because it hasn't been hacked together and that for all intents and purpose the experience has more friction than what is available today.
- bpfrh 7y ago
  I don't really see the problem, they can't do it now. One of the first things we teach people is, that once a picture is on the net, it will never be deleted.
  - buboard 7y ago
    My understanding is, that people have been falsely led to believe the opposite. The rise of snapchat ( a total hack in terms of keeping things impermanent), various promises from social media companies, and the constant insinuation by news articles that it is possible to be private on the internet have created a totally false belief. People used to be conscious about what they put online, nowadays it doesnt seem they are.
Allower 7y ago
Simple problem, if you dont trust people, dont share your photos.
blondin 7y ago
yes, and it's crazy annoying! some of us have very old facebook accounts from back when it all started. nowadays photos of you showing up at events are being tagged by friends and relative. soon the machine would have learned enough on its own to start tagging you by itself. that passive social media activity is stunning and amazing to witness happen...
danieldk 7y ago
Yes as an example of this: our daughter's school gives a form where you can indicate where photos of her can be used. This is probably required by the GDPR, but it is nice of them to do it anyway, and they try to hold up their end. We never give permission to anyone to share pictures of our daughter on social media. We believe she has the right to choose what she publishes when she is grown up. So, the school photographer comes. It's the usual think where they make pictures, and you can order some copies. This year they only made class photos. They send you some link where you can log in to see a watermarked version of the photo, you can then order a digital copy or a printed copy. However, they also put a Facebook share link on the page where people can share the class photo with one click. I am sure there are a lot of parents who do not even think about the rights and wishes of other parents and just share the photo. So, we are in a bad situation where we explicitly disallow people to upload photos of our daughter, but not can people upload pictures anyway against our wishes, companies are actively pushing people to do so. All the tracking and unwanted uploads of personal information (though friends' address books), photos, etc. without any explicit permission is a disgrace. I hope that the EU keeps hitting these companies with the GDPR until they respect people's privacy. Sure, if you decide to share your life with Google, Facebook, and a countless tracking companies, that's up to you. But this unwanted slurping of every bit of information has to end.

zzzcpan 7y ago

This is how the internet works. Any files you send someone can end up somewhere on the internet. Facebook has nothing to do with it.

Ultramanoid 7y ago
Facebook has everything to do with the data they host, modify, and distribute. And the current legal debate and regulations about it are long overdue.
- zzzcpan 7y ago
  Files you send someone are out of your control whether you like it or not and can end up somewhere on the internet. The world where regulations can prevent that would be so creepy dystopian, that it wouldn't even need humans anymore.
  - Ultramanoid 7y ago
    That's conflating two different problems. The issue of someone posting something without permission is one, and what Facebook does with what it distributes is another, entirely different second issue. We are discussing the second. Is it dystopian to regulate that sites cannot host and distribute pedophile content for instance ? Regulations are needed, in the internet as much as anywhere else.
    - zzzcpan 7y ago
      > Is it dystopian to regulate that sites cannot host and distribute pedophile content for instance ? Yes, this is exactly dystopian.
  - 6gvONxR4sf7o 7y ago
    Just think of the real world analogue. I give you access to my stuff. Maybe I lend it to you, maybe I let you crash at my place. That doesn't let you do whatever you want. If I lend you my car and you take it to a car crusher, that's messed up and regulations protect it.
    - feu 7y ago
      The analogy doesn't hold. Unlike in the case of the car, if you send someone a file you are not deprived of use of the original.

buboard 7y ago

I m looking forward to the time when facebook is banned, people turn to proper decentralized alternatives, and panic when they realize they can no longer delete their pics from the net

Barrin92 7y ago
that won't happen. Something that is decentralised but still runs on public infrastructure can be blocked or legal entities can be held accountable. Something that is floating around in the "dark web" or some obscure private server is for practical purposes not accessible to vast amount of users. You don't need to look to the future. We already have p2p solutions and encryption that if hacked together could serve as some sort of decentralised storage. The public doesn't use it.
- buboard 7y ago
  > have p2p solutions Had. Torrent is mostly banned at ISP level. > The public doesn't use it. They will if there is no alternative. The public uses email because there was no WhatsApp in 1989.
- johnchristopher 7y ago
  > We already have p2p solutions and encryption that if hacked together could serve as some sort of decentralised storage. The public doesn't use it. The public doesn't use it because it hasn't been hacked together and that for all intents and purpose the experience has more friction than what is available today.
bpfrh 7y ago
I don't really see the problem, they can't do it now. One of the first things we teach people is, that once a picture is on the net, it will never be deleted.
- buboard 7y ago
  My understanding is, that people have been falsely led to believe the opposite. The rise of snapchat ( a total hack in terms of keeping things impermanent), various promises from social media companies, and the constant insinuation by news articles that it is possible to be private on the internet have created a totally false belief. People used to be conscious about what they put online, nowadays it doesnt seem they are.

Allower 7y ago

Simple problem, if you dont trust people, dont share your photos.

blondin 7y ago

yes, and it's crazy annoying! some of us have very old facebook accounts from back when it all started. nowadays photos of you showing up at events are being tagged by friends and relative. soon the machine would have learned enough on its own to start tagging you by itself. that passive social media activity is stunning and amazing to witness happen...

danieldk 7y ago

Yes as an example of this: our daughter's school gives a form where you can indicate where photos of her can be used. This is probably required by the GDPR, but it is nice of them to do it anyway, and they try to hold up their end. We never give permission to anyone to share pictures of our daughter on social media. We believe she has the right to choose what she publishes when she is grown up. So, the school photographer comes. It's the usual think where they make pictures, and you can order some copies. This year they only made class photos. They send you some link where you can log in to see a watermarked version of the photo, you can then order a digital copy or a printed copy. However, they also put a Facebook share link on the page where people can share the class photo with one click. I am sure there are a lot of parents who do not even think about the rights and wishes of other parents and just share the photo. So, we are in a bad situation where we explicitly disallow people to upload photos of our daughter, but not can people upload pictures anyway against our wishes, companies are actively pushing people to do so. All the tracking and unwanted uploads of personal information (though friends' address books), photos, etc. without any explicit permission is a disgrace. I hope that the EU keeps hitting these companies with the GDPR until they respect people's privacy. Sure, if you decide to share your life with Google, Facebook, and a countless tracking companies, that's up to you. But this unwanted slurping of every bit of information has to end.