I dunno where in business software it might work, but my experience is that quality is often almost irrelevant. A few weeks ago I got myself unpopular for findi

I dunno where in business software it might work, but my experience is that quality is often almost irrelevant. A few weeks ago I got myself unpopular for finding and reporting a serious bug. That could have been picked up through a little knowledge or some straightforward testing, but it wasn't because that didn't happen (there's a little more to it than that, but you see my point). If producing crap is acceptable, there's no room for formal methods. I've had a lot of experience of this. If you can't get the boss's buy-in for even obvious correctness and/or timesaving approaches (where time spent = salaries paid), I'm stuffed. Or maybe the problem's partly me. I can't rule that out. I'm not the most politic person. > If [formal methods] was easy and full of low hanging fruit... It isn't and I don't expect it to be. The fruit is right at the top, but it may be the best quality. I'm ok putting in the work to reach that.