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In one paragraph: >85 percent of workers worldwide hate their jobs >Anything that restores hope becomes worth the exercise. In other words: Many may hate the

In one paragraph: >85 percent of workers worldwide hate their jobs >Anything that restores hope becomes worth the exercise. In other words: Many may hate their livelihoods, but liberation can be scary. Personally, I was once of the benefit of having mediocre tech skills and an employer who paid ridiculously well for them. But when I started having problems with stalking, break-ins and intentional ill will, they told me to just leave. Obviously, a nightmare situation in life. The journey since has led me around the world on experiences I'd never have had being stuck in office buildings and airports, and I actually wouldn't trade them. And while I wouldn't wish tyranny on anyone else, with a certain mindset you can look evil and misfortune in the face and decide you are not going to have your fate decided by it. I suspect that even without living on the receiving end of psychopathy, this is still the worst part of unemployment for many: the hopelessness in having your fate be determined by what can seem like external forces.

m0zg 7y ago
If you don't have the means, it's not really "liberation". We are only nominally "free". You have to pay real estate taxes even if you do absolutely nothing, never get out of the house, and don't use any infrastructure or services. And if you don't, you'll very quickly find yourself under the bridge. My fantasy (which my wife doesn't share) is to one day find a place so deep in the boonies that no government official would even know about it, and live there Agafia Lykova style with no connection to the outside world. I doubt places like that exist in the US anymore. But they do exist in other countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agafia_Lykova https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agafia_Lykova
- Waterluvian 7y ago
  I wonder if it's part of the social contract that everything society provided to get you here, one of the many payments is you have to stick around and be part of society for the next young you. I'm thinking about: what would happen if droves of people fled into the forest to live. Could society function without them? How many?
  - m0zg 7y ago
    I'm pretty sure it would still function. If nothing else they aren't a drag on societal resources anymore. If society is so useful, it should only be better off when people leave for the greener pastures or Siberian tundra. My main issue is not with societal contract. It's with the notion that we're somehow "free" when we're most certainly not free. Stop paying the state and men with guns will show up on your door step and take your shit. That doesn't sound like freedom to me.
    - Waterluvian 7y ago
      Fair. And as was suggested, there's parts of the world where if you don't want all those government and societal benefits, you can totally just fuck off into a forest somewhere. I'm pretty sure you can do that up here in Canada but there's lots of ways that can kill you. It is a pretty romantic concept, I'll admit.
    - badpun 7y ago
      > I'm pretty sure it would still function. If nothing else they aren't a drag on societal resources anymore. If society is so useful, it should only be better off when people leave for the greener pastures or Siberian tundra. A lot of these people would come crawling back to the civilization begging for help if their life depended on it. Which it probably will as they get older and sick. On a large scale, millions of people who contributed nothing to the society, but then demand expensive medical help would not work well.
      - m0zg 7y ago
        Most would not last very long I agree. But I don't think that those that find the hermit existence more to their liking (and can sustain such an existence for an extended period of time) would "come crawling back" or anything like that. Once my kid is out of the house, I don't really care about not kicking the bucket a little sooner if by doing so I could live out my last decade or two in peace and without having to deal with the daily stream of bovine manure that "civilization" entails.
- Swizec 7y ago
  > In 2014, she wrote a letter that was published online, requesting anyone to come to her home to be her helper as her "health is waning". I wonder if anyone came
- quibbler 7y ago
  Not so attractive once you need medical attention, which most people will at some point. Also, lots of hard work.
ianai 7y ago
“But when I started having problems with stalking, break-ins and intentional ill will, they told me to just leave” I don’t understand. Was your employer breaking into your home?
- wallace_f 7y ago
  No, someone else. I've been having problems with stalking and break-ins, physical assaults, and more.

m0zg 7y ago

If you don't have the means, it's not really "liberation". We are only nominally "free". You have to pay real estate taxes even if you do absolutely nothing, never get out of the house, and don't use any infrastructure or services. And if you don't, you'll very quickly find yourself under the bridge. My fantasy (which my wife doesn't share) is to one day find a place so deep in the boonies that no government official would even know about it, and live there Agafia Lykova style with no connection to the outside world. I doubt places like that exist in the US anymore. But they do exist in other countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agafia_Lykova https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agafia_Lykova

Waterluvian 7y ago
I wonder if it's part of the social contract that everything society provided to get you here, one of the many payments is you have to stick around and be part of society for the next young you. I'm thinking about: what would happen if droves of people fled into the forest to live. Could society function without them? How many?
- m0zg 7y ago
  I'm pretty sure it would still function. If nothing else they aren't a drag on societal resources anymore. If society is so useful, it should only be better off when people leave for the greener pastures or Siberian tundra. My main issue is not with societal contract. It's with the notion that we're somehow "free" when we're most certainly not free. Stop paying the state and men with guns will show up on your door step and take your shit. That doesn't sound like freedom to me.
  - Waterluvian 7y ago
    Fair. And as was suggested, there's parts of the world where if you don't want all those government and societal benefits, you can totally just fuck off into a forest somewhere. I'm pretty sure you can do that up here in Canada but there's lots of ways that can kill you. It is a pretty romantic concept, I'll admit.
  - badpun 7y ago
    > I'm pretty sure it would still function. If nothing else they aren't a drag on societal resources anymore. If society is so useful, it should only be better off when people leave for the greener pastures or Siberian tundra. A lot of these people would come crawling back to the civilization begging for help if their life depended on it. Which it probably will as they get older and sick. On a large scale, millions of people who contributed nothing to the society, but then demand expensive medical help would not work well.
    - m0zg 7y ago
      Most would not last very long I agree. But I don't think that those that find the hermit existence more to their liking (and can sustain such an existence for an extended period of time) would "come crawling back" or anything like that. Once my kid is out of the house, I don't really care about not kicking the bucket a little sooner if by doing so I could live out my last decade or two in peace and without having to deal with the daily stream of bovine manure that "civilization" entails.
Swizec 7y ago
> In 2014, she wrote a letter that was published online, requesting anyone to come to her home to be her helper as her "health is waning". I wonder if anyone came
quibbler 7y ago
Not so attractive once you need medical attention, which most people will at some point. Also, lots of hard work.

ianai 7y ago

“But when I started having problems with stalking, break-ins and intentional ill will, they told me to just leave” I don’t understand. Was your employer breaking into your home?

wallace_f 7y ago
No, someone else. I've been having problems with stalking and break-ins, physical assaults, and more.