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I went to see Buzz Aldrin, the 2nd man on the Moon, speak at a book lecture. He is very passionate about colonizing Mars. He says there are two big things that

I went to see Buzz Aldrin, the 2nd man on the Moon, speak at a book lecture. He is very passionate about colonizing Mars. He says there are two big things that have to be accomplished before we can colonize Mars. The first is to train astronauts to live in a confined isolated space for 260 days (the length of a journey to Mars).[1] The second is harder: We need to go to Mars at least three times and bring back the men and women successfully. Once is not enough. Three proves we've mastered the engineering, financial, physical, and physiological aspects. [1] http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jun/03/mock-mission-mars-moscow-hangar http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jun/03/mock-mission-m...

pshapiro 16y ago
Why do the men and women have to be brought back? It adds a big amount to the requirements of the craft to get them there. Perhaps that space, weight, time, and money could be better spent on developing long-term survival and colony-establishment equipment and techniques.
- wallflower 16y ago
  From a purely logistical standpoint, if the first people you send to Mars had no hope of returning - how would they quickly enough create a bubble within which lies a life-sustaining environment to survive? Unless of course you're thinking of crash loading the entire contents of a remote manned space station. Psychologically, it might drive men and women to madness - being forever marooned. Just saw this. More on Mars from Buzz Aldrin in a NOVA PBS special: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/aldrin-mars-au.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/aldrin-mars-au.html
  - pshapiro 16y ago
    Heavens, not by any means, "forever marooned." Just for a maximum of 10 years while we get another mission with a return vessel over to Mars. In the mean time, those men and women could establish a fledgling colony there with hydroponics, a rover or two, and ways to build housing with present materials. I'm not in a position to comment accurately about how long it will take them to establish the livable colony because I don't know specifically what provisions and methods of atmosphere production/recycling they're bringing with. Think of it like a startup. PG once wrote something like (paraphrasing here), to prove that a startup will work, try to build the smallest functional subset and build from there. And launch quickly and iterate often. After we get a craft to pick them up, we'll have a temporary colony that the return craft's crew can occupy. Besides, if those men/women were not able to stand ten or twenty years of loneliness and hard work being colonists, are they really the right people to send on a mission to explore another planet?
    - wallflower 16y ago
      > Heavens, not by any means, "forever marooned You'd think by some of my friends comments visiting in-laws that they were visiting Mars this holiday season. I wonder if there have been any Sci-Fi treatments done of the one-way colonization of Mars.
      - pshapiro 16y ago
        lol... We got a lot of snow here too. My cofounder was tied up for most of the day negotiating her way through the transit system back home. At least I assume that's what you mean. :)
  - pshapiro 16y ago
    I asked a question on Quora about the supplies required. Let's see what happens! http://www.quora.com/Space-Colonization/What-provisions-and-technology-would-be-required-to-establish-a-self-sustaining-human-colony-on-Mars-after-a-successful-one-way-landing http://www.quora.com/Space-Colonization/What-provisions-and-...

pshapiro 16y ago

Why do the men and women have to be brought back? It adds a big amount to the requirements of the craft to get them there. Perhaps that space, weight, time, and money could be better spent on developing long-term survival and colony-establishment equipment and techniques.

wallflower 16y ago
From a purely logistical standpoint, if the first people you send to Mars had no hope of returning - how would they quickly enough create a bubble within which lies a life-sustaining environment to survive? Unless of course you're thinking of crash loading the entire contents of a remote manned space station. Psychologically, it might drive men and women to madness - being forever marooned. Just saw this. More on Mars from Buzz Aldrin in a NOVA PBS special: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/aldrin-mars-au.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/space/aldrin-mars-au.html
- pshapiro 16y ago
  Heavens, not by any means, "forever marooned." Just for a maximum of 10 years while we get another mission with a return vessel over to Mars. In the mean time, those men and women could establish a fledgling colony there with hydroponics, a rover or two, and ways to build housing with present materials. I'm not in a position to comment accurately about how long it will take them to establish the livable colony because I don't know specifically what provisions and methods of atmosphere production/recycling they're bringing with. Think of it like a startup. PG once wrote something like (paraphrasing here), to prove that a startup will work, try to build the smallest functional subset and build from there. And launch quickly and iterate often. After we get a craft to pick them up, we'll have a temporary colony that the return craft's crew can occupy. Besides, if those men/women were not able to stand ten or twenty years of loneliness and hard work being colonists, are they really the right people to send on a mission to explore another planet?
  - wallflower 16y ago
    > Heavens, not by any means, "forever marooned You'd think by some of my friends comments visiting in-laws that they were visiting Mars this holiday season. I wonder if there have been any Sci-Fi treatments done of the one-way colonization of Mars.
    - pshapiro 16y ago
      lol... We got a lot of snow here too. My cofounder was tied up for most of the day negotiating her way through the transit system back home. At least I assume that's what you mean. :)
- pshapiro 16y ago
  I asked a question on Quora about the supplies required. Let's see what happens! http://www.quora.com/Space-Colonization/What-provisions-and-technology-would-be-required-to-establish-a-self-sustaining-human-colony-on-Mars-after-a-successful-one-way-landing http://www.quora.com/Space-Colonization/What-provisions-and-...