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Maaaaybe. I'd like to think that there is an evaporative effect occuring there. Assuming that more ethical people are better to work with and vice versa, then

Maaaaybe. I'd like to think that there is an evaporative effect occuring there. Assuming that more ethical people are better to work with and vice versa, then as more ethical people leave, the work enviroment gets worse and worse. Like, payroll issues take longer to deal with, your co-workers aren't as up for beers on Fridays, your boss isn't as on your side as you'd like. So, the elves leave middle earth. Eventually, the company can end up in a situation where payroll issues are impossible to deal with, where your co-workers are far too free to hit up a bar on a Tuesday night, where your boss could care less about you. So then even some of the skuzz-bucket people say they have had enough. So, yeah, FB is good right now and can use their funds to pay people to deal with those issues. But fines like the one they got today are going to hamper that process. As has been said for decades: Culture is everything.

scarface74 7y ago
I’ve worked for 20+ years and I’ve learned that the boss “never cares about me”. Anyone who thinks that your company “cares about you” is in for a rude awaking.
- Balgair 7y ago
  I mean, there is a lot of space between the type of boss that could care less and the type of boss that actively tries to harm. Also, it really does depend on the firm. I've worked a lot of jobs that couldn't be arsed to know my name. I've worked a lot fewer jobs that really did care about me, but I have been there and seen them.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    I've worked a lot fewer jobs that really did care about me, but I have been there and seen them. Let’s do a thought experiment. Let’s say over lunch that you told your boss at one of those companies “that really did care” about you that you just bought a house and that you and your spouse are expecting a child. Then the next week that because of a strategic shift/missed earnings/acquisition where the acquirer wanted to find “synergies” they decided they were going to let you go. What do you think is going to happen?
    - Balgair 7y ago
      Generally the firms that care are under 10 people in size. As such, it depends. And yes, I've seen those exact conversations play out in the favor of the employee before, about a dozen times, even in the larger firms. I've also seen it play out badly too.
      - scarface74 7y ago
        How many firms that are under 10 people in size do you know of that are not VC backed and therefore beholden to their investors who definitely don’t care about the employees?
        Balgair 7y ago
        Not sure I understand the question, but I've never worked for a VC backed start-up. I'm in medtech, not CS. EDIT: Also, 90% of all companies in the US are under 20 people: https://www.businessinsider.com/us-employment-by-firm-size-has-a-fat-tailed-distribution-2015-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/us-employment-by-firm-size-h...

scarface74 7y ago

I’ve worked for 20+ years and I’ve learned that the boss “never cares about me”. Anyone who thinks that your company “cares about you” is in for a rude awaking.

Balgair 7y ago
I mean, there is a lot of space between the type of boss that could care less and the type of boss that actively tries to harm. Also, it really does depend on the firm. I've worked a lot of jobs that couldn't be arsed to know my name. I've worked a lot fewer jobs that really did care about me, but I have been there and seen them.
- scarface74 7y ago
  I've worked a lot fewer jobs that really did care about me, but I have been there and seen them. Let’s do a thought experiment. Let’s say over lunch that you told your boss at one of those companies “that really did care” about you that you just bought a house and that you and your spouse are expecting a child. Then the next week that because of a strategic shift/missed earnings/acquisition where the acquirer wanted to find “synergies” they decided they were going to let you go. What do you think is going to happen?
  - Balgair 7y ago
    Generally the firms that care are under 10 people in size. As such, it depends. And yes, I've seen those exact conversations play out in the favor of the employee before, about a dozen times, even in the larger firms. I've also seen it play out badly too.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      How many firms that are under 10 people in size do you know of that are not VC backed and therefore beholden to their investors who definitely don’t care about the employees?
      - Balgair 7y ago
        Not sure I understand the question, but I've never worked for a VC backed start-up. I'm in medtech, not CS. EDIT: Also, 90% of all companies in the US are under 20 people: https://www.businessinsider.com/us-employment-by-firm-size-has-a-fat-tailed-distribution-2015-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/us-employment-by-firm-size-h...