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I know that. But Tesla, Hyundai, Kia and Nissan and others have managed it. Why give VW a pass for talking the talk for six years and still having not much to s

I know that. But Tesla, Hyundai, Kia and Nissan and others have managed it. Why give VW a pass for talking the talk for six years and still having not much to show for it.

clouddrover 7y ago
Volkswagen is showing it now. They'll release multiple models across multiple brands every year from now on. Here are some upcoming EVs from Volkswagen. Some available now, some available soon, some available in future: Audi e-Tron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uHlohyKLlQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uHlohyKLlQ Audi e-Tron GT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvNw15W_EK8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvNw15W_EK8 Audi Q4 e-Tron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiwevzHsCbU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiwevzHsCbU Porsche Taycan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrVkOQojN4Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrVkOQojN4Y Porsche Macan: https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/26/18240862/porsche-macan-electric-ev-production-taycan https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/26/18240862/porsche-macan-el... VW ID.3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2Tqw9LX3QE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2Tqw9LX3QE SEAT el-Born: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ShA3l0BHGs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ShA3l0BHGs Skoda Vision iV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f1g9xl6W_E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f1g9xl6W_E VW ID Crozz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8zbuvzEA5A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8zbuvzEA5A VW ID Buzz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQut6ks3nSY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQut6ks3nSY VW ID Roomzz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzP6NOGNIWo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzP6NOGNIWo
- codeulike 7y ago
  Don't get me wrong, if they pull this off I'll be cheering them on. The ones actually launched (e-tron only I think?) have been disappointing. The e-tron has a huge 90kwh battery and only 205 miles of range. People can make excuses for it but the reality is that is an engineering failure. All the other MEB models that are supposed to be coming soon - all we've got is jazzy names and concept car mock ups. Yet to see production car, price or specs on any of those. Perhaps they have some technical advance up their sleeves. But imho the chances are this big new MEB platform is 75% pr puff. There's a good chance that the things their going to actually launch will be on par with the 2016 Nissan Leaf. That's what just happened with BMWs electric Mini. So let's talk when they announce actual dates, prices and specs. For now I'm skeptical.
  - clouddrover 7y ago
    > all we've got is jazzy names and concept car mock ups. You should actually watch the videos. Does that Taycan look like a mock up to you? The VW ID.3 is not a jazzy name. They had 20,000 pre-bookings a month ago: https://www.electrive.com/2019/06/05/vw-marks-20000-pre-orders-for-their-id-3/ https://www.electrive.com/2019/06/05/vw-marks-20000-pre-orde... > For now I'm skeptical. It doesn't matter if you're skeptical or not. Volkswagen is not spending 80 billion euros on EVs for the fun of it: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-insight-idUSKCN1PV0K4 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-insig...
    - codeulike 7y ago
      Ok so we know what they Taycan is going to look like. We still don't know the range. They need to beat the Model S on performance and range, though not necessarily price. Otherwise they're going to look like idiots. This is Porsche, after all. Theyre making a big fuss about how fast it can charge. Is that because they know it won't compete on range (like the e-tron)? Let's see in 12 months time. Ok the ID3 is a reasonable name, But we still don't know what this supposed flagship is going to look like. It's definitely not going to look like the pics they've released so far. But Crozz, Buzz and Roomz seem like pr names rather than actual production car names. If they really are investing all that money I would expect a lot of delays because they'll need to actually deliver something good rather than a cop out for that amount of cash. So let's meet back here in 12 months and see how the ID3 pans out.
      - clouddrover 7y ago
        > They need to beat the Model S on performance The Model S overheats when doing a lap at a racetrack. It's not a performance car: https://insideevs.com/news/323053/tesla-model-s-fails-to-lap-nurburgring-under-full-power-video/ https://insideevs.com/news/323053/tesla-model-s-fails-to-lap... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfZLGIs0H14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfZLGIs0H14 > Ok the ID3 is a reasonable name, But we still don't know what this supposed flagship is going to look like Of course we do. Have a look: https://insideevs.com/news/359253/production-parts-vw-id3-started/ https://insideevs.com/news/359253/production-parts-vw-id3-st... https://insideevs.com/news/359217/vw-id3-light-camo-recharging-video/ https://insideevs.com/news/359217/vw-id3-light-camo-rechargi... https://insideevs.com/news/359140/video-vw-tease-id3-dashboard/ https://insideevs.com/news/359140/video-vw-tease-id3-dashboa... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RENix0of9Dw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RENix0of9Dw

I know that. But Tesla, Hyundai, Kia and Nissan and others have managed it. Why give VW a pass for talking the talk for six years and still having not much to show for it.

clouddrover 7y ago

Volkswagen is showing it now. They'll release multiple models across multiple brands every year from now on. Here are some upcoming EVs from Volkswagen. Some available now, some available soon, some available in future: Audi e-Tron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uHlohyKLlQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uHlohyKLlQ Audi e-Tron GT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvNw15W_EK8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvNw15W_EK8 Audi Q4 e-Tron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiwevzHsCbU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiwevzHsCbU Porsche Taycan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrVkOQojN4Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrVkOQojN4Y Porsche Macan: https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/26/18240862/porsche-macan-electric-ev-production-taycan https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/26/18240862/porsche-macan-el... VW ID.3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2Tqw9LX3QE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2Tqw9LX3QE SEAT el-Born: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ShA3l0BHGs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ShA3l0BHGs Skoda Vision iV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f1g9xl6W_E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f1g9xl6W_E VW ID Crozz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8zbuvzEA5A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8zbuvzEA5A VW ID Buzz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQut6ks3nSY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQut6ks3nSY VW ID Roomzz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzP6NOGNIWo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzP6NOGNIWo

codeulike 7y ago
Don't get me wrong, if they pull this off I'll be cheering them on. The ones actually launched (e-tron only I think?) have been disappointing. The e-tron has a huge 90kwh battery and only 205 miles of range. People can make excuses for it but the reality is that is an engineering failure. All the other MEB models that are supposed to be coming soon - all we've got is jazzy names and concept car mock ups. Yet to see production car, price or specs on any of those. Perhaps they have some technical advance up their sleeves. But imho the chances are this big new MEB platform is 75% pr puff. There's a good chance that the things their going to actually launch will be on par with the 2016 Nissan Leaf. That's what just happened with BMWs electric Mini. So let's talk when they announce actual dates, prices and specs. For now I'm skeptical.
- clouddrover 7y ago
  > all we've got is jazzy names and concept car mock ups. You should actually watch the videos. Does that Taycan look like a mock up to you? The VW ID.3 is not a jazzy name. They had 20,000 pre-bookings a month ago: https://www.electrive.com/2019/06/05/vw-marks-20000-pre-orders-for-their-id-3/ https://www.electrive.com/2019/06/05/vw-marks-20000-pre-orde... > For now I'm skeptical. It doesn't matter if you're skeptical or not. Volkswagen is not spending 80 billion euros on EVs for the fun of it: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-insight-idUSKCN1PV0K4 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-electric-insig...
  - codeulike 7y ago
    Ok so we know what they Taycan is going to look like. We still don't know the range. They need to beat the Model S on performance and range, though not necessarily price. Otherwise they're going to look like idiots. This is Porsche, after all. Theyre making a big fuss about how fast it can charge. Is that because they know it won't compete on range (like the e-tron)? Let's see in 12 months time. Ok the ID3 is a reasonable name, But we still don't know what this supposed flagship is going to look like. It's definitely not going to look like the pics they've released so far. But Crozz, Buzz and Roomz seem like pr names rather than actual production car names. If they really are investing all that money I would expect a lot of delays because they'll need to actually deliver something good rather than a cop out for that amount of cash. So let's meet back here in 12 months and see how the ID3 pans out.
    - clouddrover 7y ago
      > They need to beat the Model S on performance The Model S overheats when doing a lap at a racetrack. It's not a performance car: https://insideevs.com/news/323053/tesla-model-s-fails-to-lap-nurburgring-under-full-power-video/ https://insideevs.com/news/323053/tesla-model-s-fails-to-lap... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfZLGIs0H14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfZLGIs0H14 > Ok the ID3 is a reasonable name, But we still don't know what this supposed flagship is going to look like Of course we do. Have a look: https://insideevs.com/news/359253/production-parts-vw-id3-started/ https://insideevs.com/news/359253/production-parts-vw-id3-st... https://insideevs.com/news/359217/vw-id3-light-camo-recharging-video/ https://insideevs.com/news/359217/vw-id3-light-camo-rechargi... https://insideevs.com/news/359140/video-vw-tease-id3-dashboard/ https://insideevs.com/news/359140/video-vw-tease-id3-dashboa... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RENix0of9Dw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RENix0of9Dw