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Just so incredibly disturbing. For all of Facebook's fault, it's very easy to opt out of using it. When a service that the government forces you to use loses yo

Just so incredibly disturbing. For all of Facebook's fault, it's very easy to opt out of using it. When a service that the government forces you to use loses your data, heads should roll.

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enraged_camel 7y ago
>> For all of Facebook's fault, it's very easy to opt out of using it. Not really. Facebook has shadow profiles of non-users.
- zaroth 7y ago
  Perhaps in the sense that they have a session cookie that tracks impressions of sites which reference them on the web, and that information they have that their users uploaded that happen to also reference you. But not anything like in the sense of a logged in user and the level of knowledge they have about actual users. Facebook knows a lot less about non-registered users than Google does, for instance. And in the sense of the Cambridge Analytica scandal, which is what this fine is about, my understanding is that non-users were entirely unaffected.
  - skybrian 7y ago
    Why do you think Google knows more than Facebook?
    - megous 7y ago
      Search queries reveal a lot.
      - djakjxnanjak 7y ago
        Do we consider people making search queries on Google to be non-users?
        zaroth 7y ago
        I think yes if you’re not logged in. But there’s plenty of ways Google is tracking you, and serving ads to you, away from Google.com too.
      - skybrian 7y ago
        I haven't kept up, but as of 12 years ago they were anonymizing search logs for users that aren't logged in: https://www.google.com/amp/s/searchengineland.com/google-anonymizing-search-records-to-protect-privacy-10736/amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/searchengineland.com/google-ano...
- dpifke 7y ago
  Is there an equivalent of an ad-blocker (and clearing all browser data on close) for the credit reporting bureaus?
  - smt88 7y ago
    Not in the US, no. It would also be a career risk to do this, because some employers do credit checks.
lawnchair_larry 7y ago
You can’t opt out of facebook at all. They have web bugs, they have a 3rd party mobile analytics SDK, they have contact lists from anybody who knows you, they have things you didn’t know you are touching.

Just so incredibly disturbing. For all of Facebook's fault, it's very easy to opt out of using it. When a service that the government forces you to use loses your data, heads should roll.

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enraged_camel 7y ago

>> For all of Facebook's fault, it's very easy to opt out of using it. Not really. Facebook has shadow profiles of non-users.

zaroth 7y ago
Perhaps in the sense that they have a session cookie that tracks impressions of sites which reference them on the web, and that information they have that their users uploaded that happen to also reference you. But not anything like in the sense of a logged in user and the level of knowledge they have about actual users. Facebook knows a lot less about non-registered users than Google does, for instance. And in the sense of the Cambridge Analytica scandal, which is what this fine is about, my understanding is that non-users were entirely unaffected.
- skybrian 7y ago
  Why do you think Google knows more than Facebook?
  - megous 7y ago
    Search queries reveal a lot.
    - djakjxnanjak 7y ago
      Do we consider people making search queries on Google to be non-users?
      - zaroth 7y ago
        I think yes if you’re not logged in. But there’s plenty of ways Google is tracking you, and serving ads to you, away from Google.com too.
    - skybrian 7y ago
      I haven't kept up, but as of 12 years ago they were anonymizing search logs for users that aren't logged in: https://www.google.com/amp/s/searchengineland.com/google-anonymizing-search-records-to-protect-privacy-10736/amp https://www.google.com/amp/s/searchengineland.com/google-ano...
dpifke 7y ago
Is there an equivalent of an ad-blocker (and clearing all browser data on close) for the credit reporting bureaus?
- smt88 7y ago
  Not in the US, no. It would also be a career risk to do this, because some employers do credit checks.

lawnchair_larry 7y ago

You can’t opt out of facebook at all. They have web bugs, they have a 3rd party mobile analytics SDK, they have contact lists from anybody who knows you, they have things you didn’t know you are touching.